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Musitude: New Android music app/game

Discussion in 'Android Apps & Games' started by Poita, Sep 2, 2018.

  1. Poita

    Poita Newbie
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    Is it ok if I introduce 'Musitude', our startup's Android game music app that we just launched?

    Basically, it’s a music solution for non musicians (about 97% of all people).
    We adapted the mobile qwerty keyboard to be a music instrument interface and convert traditional music notation into an alpha-numeric notation system so as long as you know your way around a qwerty keyboard and can read then basically you are already musician.

    There is a pre-signup demo on the app so maybe you can check it out.
    I personally enjoy playing with others as we have duets where either two or more can play side by side or you can have the app play part 2 while play part 1.

    You can find the app on the Google Play Store here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rocks.musitude.androidapp

    Thanks for reading.

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  2. psionandy

    psionandy Extreme Android User

    Thats a really interesting idea you have there...

    I've been having a look at your twitch channel and am quite excited about this...

    good luck with the app, and keep us up to date with how this progresses :)
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  3. Poita

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    Wow, thanks. We just started setting up the Twitch channel a week ago. Surprised you came across it. We will be doing more live streaming from the app and also the website.
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  4. KBU2

    KBU2 Android Expert

    Yes I Also think it's a pretty good app you got going there but just be careful with infringement violations down the road.
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  5. Deleted User

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    Interesting, but with respect, I don't see how this is any easier to play music than learning, and reading normal music notation.
    I went to the website, and played the Greensleves demo there. This involved reading the notation, and hitting the right keys on the keyboard, which takes some coordination. I can see you've invented a rudimentary rhythm notation, involving half beats/half beats, but how do you represent more complex rhythms?
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  6. Poita

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    For sure. We are super strict about music copyright. We have been in negotiations with publishers for a looooong time. It's very slow going. That's why our pop, rock genres don't have any content yet. We have loads of stuff transcribed but won't release it until we get the licence. Still there is tons in the other sections such as classical, folk, national anthems etc.
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  7. Poita

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    There are more notation symbols that we will add and also polyphonic sound but we are starting out with the basics.
    If you are one of the 3% who are already a musician then it won't be easy to see the benefit. But with the traditional music system a non musician would have to first learn to read sheet music as if it is second nature but with Musitude notation they already know the ABC's and 123 symbols and the shells wrapped around them to indicate note duration is intuitive so doesn't need to be explained.

    And if someone already knows how to use a pc or phone qwerty keyboard then they don't have to spend months familiarising themselves with an unfamiliar instrument interface.
    So a totally non musician can play simple to intermedia pieces within two minutes. Greensleeves or Pachelbel's Canon etc an be played right away with Musitude but would need months or longer of grind with traditional notation and instruments.

    We aren't claiming the Musitude system is better than traditional music. But research has shown that 97% of people are non musicians but 90% of that group really want to be. And after 1,000 years traditional music still only has 3% market penetration despite almost all people wanting to learn. Musitude inverts the music learning paradigm by adapting music to skills they already have. In the end 99% of musicians don't have ambition to be professional musicians. They just want to experience joy from playing. Studying for months or years to do so isn't an option for most but with Musitude there is always an instrument to hand in their pocket or on their desktop and one that they find they can get joy from playing almost immediately.

    So in that sense it's very different although the fundamentals of music theory are the same.
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  8. Deleted User

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    I would disagree with that. Complex rhythms require corresponding notation. You can only dumb it down so much. Don't get me wrong, I think your idea is good for simple tunes, but doesn't really scale up to playing more interesting music. Plus, I'm a good typist, know the keyboard, but I found it difficult to read the Musitude notation, and automatically hit the right keys. And the user will always be limited to what's written in the Musitude library, unless you have a facility to generate the notation from what the user types in at the keyboard.

    This is going to seem like a rant, but what the hell.. we seem to be increasingly obsessed as a society, with putting in minimal effort to achieve things. Take app development - there was a guy on here recently who was wanting to create an app, with no coding. It's not possible. And it's not possible to become a competent musician without first learning the basics, like how to read music, and mastering an instrument. Plus, learning to play something properly, and getting better, is a very satisfying experience. It's about the journey, and putting in some effort to achieve your goals. These days people just seem to demand things instantly.

    Again, nothing against your app, I think you've done a good job, and best of luck with it.
  9. Poita

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    I still think you don't understand music.
    I can probably take a guess and assume you are already a musician on some level who can read music and play an instrument and people who are proficient in something can sometimes lack an understanding of the basics of it. That's why the very vest a things often don't make good teachers of it.
    But I would say it's a logical fallacy to confuse the journey with the destination. whatever level some musician is on, it's the joy they feel when they play pieces that is the objective not the right to say they suffered and struggled to get there so they 'deserve' to feel that joy due to the sacrifice.
    A few hundred years ago buildings were constructed entirely by hand. Is a modern building not qualified to be called a building because technology made it easier to build? Or do late 19th century settlers in California have less legitimacy because they made the journey from the East coast by train rather than walk or ride as earlier settlers did?
    Also, you are confusing the concepts of 'dumbing' down and 'simplifying'. They are not the same.

    A lot of people have the same issue and the confuse the principles of music with the western notation and instruments and they conclude that if it isn't express in western notation and played on an existing instrument then it's not valid.
    Notes are just symbols, the symbols can be anything as long as they adhere to the principles of music theory. And in principle there is zero difference between a key layout on a piano and on a qwerty. In fact accordions have a similar layout to a qwerty.

    As I said, you haven't seen the full notation yet. And also, some instruments are more flexible than others. A clarinet can't play chords and there are some note combinations that can be played on a guitar that can't be reached on a piano.
    And what do you think a professional harpist thought when they first saw a keyboard instrument hundreds of years ago? Perhaps they trained for years, decades with a master and became sublime at the harp. Then they see a harpsichord or clavichord and from their point of view someone has just taken a harp a but a button rack over the strings so anyone can just push the keys and play the notes. They would take the same view as you that it removes all the subtlety from the playing. But look at the status of the harp today compared to the piano?

    Non musicians who play musitude have a truly joyful and emotional experience and, as you said, the more they play the better they get and they start to develop technique. And in the end all that matters is that people feel joy when they play. We don't need to convince concert pianists and composers. We just need to see a smile on the face of our users and that's good enough for us.
  10. Deleted User

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    :D I play trombone to diploma standard. I understand music very well thanks.
    All I'm saying, is that your app is an interesting idea, to allow non-musicians to make music, and will probably do that job fairly well, but the notation doesn't allow someone to progress beyond playing the most simple of melodies. And a computer keyboard isn't the right tool to play music on anyway. Music notation conveys a lot more information than simply the notes and rhythm (although that's a lot). There are markings for expression, volume, pace variations etc.
    There's no way this method can substitute for a traditional written music score, played on an instrument designed for the job.
  11. mikedt

    mikedt 你好

    Would this app help me in my studies and playing of the erhu, pipa and guzheng?
  12. Poita

    Poita Newbie
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    I disagree.
    As I already said, we have further notation symbols to replicate anything traditional music offers. We will implement them in time. Of course, ideally played on a physical qwerty keyboard as eight fingers can be used whereas on a mobile keyboard it's just two thumbs.
    We also use stacked notes for polyphonic sound and it's surprisingly easy for those who can type well.
    Regarding volume, we have build a prototype electronic stand alone keyboard that has no only velocity sensitivity in the keys for volume but even 'depth' sensitivity; in that a musician commits to a volume with a piano key strike but a violinist or clarinetist can start a note quite and slowly get louder or vice versa.
    Actually our main music transcription team member and who also is a programmer and has built our traditional music to Musitude notation conversion software is a Trombonist and Sackbut player who graduated the Royal Academy of Music.
    As I said, every instrument interfaces has its own unique limitations and also areas where it can facilitate things that other instruments can't doe. The qwerty layout is ideal as a musical instrument. I think you are just blinded by the instinct to reject anything that is new.

    But in the end, as I said, 99.% of people who learn or desire to learn to play a musical instrument do not want to become professionals. They just want to play pieces with friends. And as most instruments are monophonic then Musitude can already do more with polyphonic. Those who want to go a level further can buy our pressure sensitive qwerty keyboard when we finally get it completed but I'll end with an attachment of a Beethoven piece from our site that is an indication of just how flexible the notation is.

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  13. Poita

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    Mustiude can replicate the sound of any instrument but the notation is specific to the qwerty keyboard only so you would not be able to read Musitude notation and play it on those instruments.
    However, we have had some users get a good grounding on music theory from Musitude and go on to take take piano lessons so it would help in the sense that if you were a non musician you could get started but that would be like learning one instrument the moving onto the other. If you learned violin you could understand how music works but if you then switched to the flute you would be a beginner as far as that particular instrument goes.

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