Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by Crude, Aug 30, 2010.
News from The Associated Press
IMO it all seems pretty cut and dry....
as to the harassment...... there are laws in place to deal with this type of situation........ they shouldnt be harassed in any fashion for their beliefs...... they have a right to believe whatever they want
as far as special time for prayers etc...... they dont have any right to this at all....... no religion does...... there should be no exception to company policy to accommodate anyone on religious beliefs
they have a job to do...... they should do it........ they get breaks and lunches Im sure....... this is their time to do whatever they want... be it pray or whatever...... they dont need special time for these things...... this would be discriminatory against anyone who had alternative beliefs.........
they do have the right however to be able to pray during their breaks/lunches without being harassed by coworkers...... in the interest of harmony perhaps the company should create an equal but seperate break area for those who wish to use it
Don't take a job where the hours don't suit you.
exactly........ I just read a report earlier that heavy drinkers on average live longer than those who never drink at all............
does this mean that people could sue their employer for the right to drink on the job..... after all youre only trying to prolong your life...... and the constitution says "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"....... drinking at work would prolong your life, fulfill your personal liberty, and definitely make you happy......
gotta go call my lawyer...... oh wait Im the boss and I already drink on the job LOL
It's common business sense to try and accommodate a portion of your workforce, but not at the expense of the business or of the rest of the workforce. I have to agree with the rest of the folks. while businesses cannot discriminate against religion, they are not required to accommodate it or make accommodations for religious practice within the work place. That goes for anyone, not just Muslims. It would make good policy for management to try and find a workaround, but it should never become an expectation for a business to have to conform to individuals because of what they chose to believe.
i agree with copestag and mpw, they have a right to pray ON THEIR BREAKS without being harassed, but the company should not have to change their schedule to accomodate them, it's just not fair to the other workers. And as mpw said, if it was that important they should have discussed it at the point of hire and made sure the hours would work for them
Wow, I'm actually taken back by the level of common sense in this thread.
+1. It looks good to me, too.
As far as the issue goes, it seems to be another one that requires one or both sides to compromise, otherwise things will become polarized, and then all is lost except by force of law (or worse).
Congrats on the promotion to guide Frisco.
As far as the topic. I have to agree. They have the right to be free from harassment at work. As long as the company didn't change company policy in order to make them unable to practice their religion, then they have no legal standing IMO.
If no other religion is getting a scheduled prayer time, outside of their own breaks of course, then why should this be any different? Personally I feel this falls under the "the ignorant of Americans hate us so we are entitled to have everything our way right away" attitude some Muslims have taken up.
There are questions that a employer can ask before hiring to weed out special needs. You can easily cross the line and break employment hiring laws. Still it can be done though.
Those laws are a joke too. I believe a company should be able to hire anyone they like. The funny part is that once your hired a company can treat you however they like.
I for one just have to say this anti-Islamic attitude in America these days is, well... very unamerican.
Most people you talk to today think that Muslims are all bloodthirsty terrorists that hate America. And by acting like this we are just perpetuating the stereotype. With fake-umentries like the demographic video on you-tube all this islamic propaganda really gets my goat.
I work for the state and the web filter blocks words like Muslim, Islam, and Muhammad... But not Christ, Jesus, or Christianity...
This country is all about religious equality, as long as your religious views fall into the Chrisitan category. It's a fact of life really, Christianity is involved in and the root of every decision this country makes. It's quite sad when you think about it.
It cuts both ways though, surely.
The majority of moderate moslems themselves must be aware of the very bad press that their religeon is getting these days, and the amount of potential animosity toward Islam from non-muslims, so why do many of them seem to insist on stirring up the pot and possibly bring more criticism down upon themselves instead of just getting on with their lives and following the established rules of the countries they live in?
I'm all for religeous tolerance and freedom of belief, but if you want to live in a moslem country then go and move to one.
Umm... well, that's a little conspiracy theorist... don't you think?
I think it would be quite impossible for Christianity to be at the root of every decision this country makes... especially considering there are people of many different religions in Congress.
This was NOT a Christian nation to begin with, not founded upon a Christian nation, if it was then why do we have the separation of Church and State? Because the "founders" say how that worked out in Europe and did not want it.
It these little things like people automatically saying that we are a Christian nation, we are not.
If we were a Christian nation, then this nation would be a Theocracy..
Oh and a curious question, when someone takes the stand and they are asked to swear to tell the truth ect, and they have to swear on the bible, but they are an Atheist, then what? If they say they will not swear on the bible, then what happens, is their testimony void?
So you believe employers should be able to discriminate against, say, people with a different skin color?
I never argued that we WERE a Christian nation. Most of the founding fathers were deists. Heck, the stories of Ben Franklin and the Hellfire Club would probably be too much for most modern day people, regardless of religion.
On this side of the pond, you are allowed to take an oath with your hand on the holy book of your choice, or if not a believer, you make an attestation instead.
IIRC, you "solemnly declare, attest and affirm" etc. (I might have the order mixed up).
Your evidence is then held to be equally valid as that given under the religious oath.
As far as I am aware, the situation is the same in the Land of the Free, although the wording differs slightly.
People would go nuts....although they have shown that on the History Channel before... Ive met people that dont realize this...and it scares the hell out of me..
Well, I think now it is any book of choice, but traditionally in TV and Movies etc its always been the bible...
If I may, I would like to point out a double standard.
First of all, I do not think Muslims should be granted extra breaks to pray. End of that.
Now, onto the double standard. The Jewish community has been doing this for years. People have to bend over backwards to accommodate Jewish holidays, and Jewish observances. If you don't accommodate a Jewish persons religious observance, you can expect a letter from their attorney the next morning, and they will threaten you with a multimillion dollar lawsuit. Give me a break.
Everyone has a right to freedom of religion, but sometimes that right is taken way too far.
There was nothing in the article to suggest to me that the jewish workers were being given any extra breaks/holidays over the christian or muslim workers, so there is no double standard.
Company is either secular or not.
As for bending over backwards for Jews, this is due to guilt for maltreatment of Jews for centuries by Christians, look at the way Israel gets away with eveything (if, say Morroco had used EU passports to murder an Israeli spy, we would have had trade sanctions already)
Well I'm sorry, but many people, of many religious backgrounds have been maltreated, including Christians. One of the largest genocides of our history was upon Christians. Those with a strong historical background will know exactly what I'm talking about.