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  1. GandalfTehGray

    GandalfTehGray Android Expert
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  2. colchiro

    colchiro Extreme Android User

    Too bad. The original Droid was updated long after I thought it was dead.
     
  3. VoidedSaint

    VoidedSaint Resident Ninja

    i do wish that would work gandalf, if moto hasnt done it yet, they never will. its a shame, you might as well call moto droids moto apples. as they are locked up tight just like apple
     
  4. Metfanant

    Metfanant Android Expert

    unfortunately we wont be seeing a native ICS build for our phones...we will get a stable ICS through 2nd init eventually...unfortunately our kernels will never get updated along with it...oh well...

    the worst part is this wont keep me from buying a Moto device as my next phone...i much as i want cool mods and i support open source...i can't get passed the fact that Moto just makes the best phones out there...and a phone that works and performs well is just as important as one that is open...
     
  5. cougar214

    cougar214 Android Expert

    Well, There's always going with the X2. It appears at some point that will be getting ICS.
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven ...eschew obfuscation...
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    I really feel bad for you Moto folks. I had the OG Droid and it was awesome. Then I had the Droid 2 and kept holding out hope for updates, Moto unlocking the bootloader, or someone cracking it. If Moto would would unlock the bootloaders or update their phones I would have a Maxx right now instead of a GNex.
     
  7. Metfanant

    Metfanant Android Expert

    Don't feel bad for me...my phone was a flagship device for longer than the GNex will be...the OGX has been the best device I've ever owned
     
  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven ...eschew obfuscation...
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    I usually will not say something negative about a device. My prior post was sincere, but I felt I had to respond to your post.

    Unfortunately, Moto's hardware quality, specs, and build may blow my GNex out of the water. I will absolutely agree with you on that. When you have a phone with an locked bootloader you will not realize how limited you are. Moto, in my opinion, builds the best devices, but I guarantee I will get more life out of my GNex due to the simple fact that I can get new ROMs and kernels without having to worry about the locked bootloader.

    I totally respect your opinion, I love Moto, I hope I can return home if the Google purchase encourages them to unlock the bootloaders. And please, don't take my posts here as flaming, I really like Moto phones and have owned them since the mid 90's
     
  9. Metfanant

    Metfanant Android Expert


    My post was not a slight of the GNex in anyway...but my point was this...after the OGX...how long before VZW carried a phone that was clearly a better device in every way?...

    Now think...will the GNex have the same amount of time before VZW has a phone that trumps it?....some would argue the RAZR MAXX already does...
     
  10. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven ...eschew obfuscation...
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    My point wasn't really about the GNex being the best phone. It was more about Motorola locking the boot loader which really limits the true capability of the phone. I already said that if the maxx had an unlockable boot loader that would be my preferred device.
     
  11. alamoe

    alamoe Android Enthusiast

    No phone on Verizon can trump the Galaxy Nexus, because it has the ace in the hole: stock ICS.
     
  12. VoidedSaint

    VoidedSaint Resident Ninja

    Everyone's opinion will always be different on each subject we face, we can all agree android is a great OS, and that motor devices are superior, regardless of the boot loader, it is a superior device, the gnex is obviously the Google flagship device, and will stay that way til next year, and will be updated just as the rest have. I say have no fear, android is always a great thing to have, and who knows, maybe with the buyout of motor, if we plea to Google they may release the keys to the Porsche!
     
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  13. Metfanant

    Metfanant Android Expert


    but we have not seen what the OEMs have in store for ICS...

    say what you want...but GingerBlur was a MUCH more polished OS than stock Gingerbread...


    I understand...but my point was that the OGX was the best device on VZW for a long long time...this will not be the case for the GNex...
     
  14. alamoe

    alamoe Android Enthusiast

    But we have seen what HTC & Samsung have in store for ICS; basically updated versions of Sense & Touchwiz. They don't want to change their skins too much because they may risk alienating their fans. Motorola may be different because they just got bought by Google.
     
  15. GandalfTehGray

    GandalfTehGray Android Expert
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    Lol i was expecting like maybe 3 replies, but nice to see some activity here :)

    I do agree with Met that the Nexus probably will not be the top phone at Verizon as long as the Dx was. If Google would change Moto stance on Bootloaders and we could get a 4G phone made by Moto with full root and rom capacities I would bet it would be a large step up even using the same Chips and battery as the Gnex. I bought the gf a Gnex for V-Day, while i like playing with it the itch to root and rom really has not taken hold, so i feel like I could be happy with just basic root function on my future phone.

    And maybe Moto will surprise us with a very close to stock ICS phone in the coming future.
     
  16. ylexot

    ylexot Android Expert

    +1 The Tegra 3 phones are starting to line up. So far, there's an HTC and an LG (which is supposed to have very light modifications to ICS...probably just a couple apps/widgets). Then there's the Intel-based Motorola phone that looks pretty good. We'll see how well that performs. Then there's the Samsungs with the Exynos chips...

    Basically, the GNex is going to be thoroughly out-spec'd pretty soon.
     
  17. cougar214

    cougar214 Android Expert

    The Milestone X is the closest phone to our DX's and ICS is in the planning stages for that phone. So if we can get lucky and the source is put out there some time after it's release, our devs MAY be able to get real ICS on our DX's WITH a working camera. I'm not gonna hold my breath for it but oh wouldn't it be nice?
     
  18. VoidedSaint

    VoidedSaint Resident Ninja

    cougar it still wouldnt be real ics, just the overlay, you would need the kernel to push the advancements ICS offers

    and we will never see it :(
     
  19. cougar214

    cougar214 Android Expert

    Yeah I know. But wishful thinking never hurts right?
     
  20. ylexot

    ylexot Android Expert

    So the Milestone X and the DX use different kernels? I always figured they'd be the same.
     
  21. icerado

    icerado Member

    this was beginning to look like a good post until I got to the ever so popular "specs." We should all know by now specs mean nothing if the software doesn't work well. ANYONE...and I mean ANYONE who says the Razr out performs the galaxy nexus is obviously corrupted by the carrier salesman. I played with both and you can instantly notice the advantage of having a vanilla build vs skins.

    The nexus will outlast any phone that gets launched in the next 6 months...and thats not including the 2 months its already been out. Without quad core nothing comes close, and even so my single core still shits on anyone who has a skinned dual core. Opinions are always great, but if you follow trends then you would know that nothing really compared to the original nexus until a year later when people wanted bigger screens. Sooooo until smart phones actually start lasting 2 days (no way will a razr last 2 days) the gnex will be an amazing phone...anyone who says otherwise is wrong...plain and simple

    Take into consideration I've used devices from the original g1...I didn't jump on the ship when verizon starting screaming DROID!!!!!!! in my face...I have experience in dual core, tablets, and plenty of devices to know that anyone who says a skinned phone is better is just not educated enough.
     
  22. VoidedSaint

    VoidedSaint Resident Ninja

    you are actually wrong on certain aspects, and right on certain aspects

    yes vanilla is always perferred by developers, and users like us.

    however
    motoblur
    touchwiz
    and senseui
    provide some very great features that people will argue with you about, no one is right, and no one is wrong when it comes to which is better. its all user preference, if someone thinks blur is better than vanilla, let them think that, as it is their choice, that is why android is all about choices, you have a choice between a vanilla build, or a skinned build, thats what android provides, where as apple provides just one type... theirs..

    so regardless no one is right or wrong in this case. user preference determines everything
     
  23. ylexot

    ylexot Android Expert

    That would make sense if you were comparing vanilla GB to skinned GB on the same hardware and not vanilla ICS vs skinned GB on different hardware.

    Uhhh...quad cores are much closer than six months out.
    The RAZR MAXX does.
    That's a bold statement.

    I guess that depends on your definition of "better"...
     
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  24. Metfanant

    Metfanant Android Expert

    it doesn't really matter if they use different kernels or not...the problem is that when ICS is pushed to the Milestone, it will almost certainly have a new kernel included in the update...we MAY be able to flash the ICS update, but the new kernel would be impossible because of our locked bootloader...

    this is true, but the GNex is still going to be outclasses easily...soon...

    might hold some water if you were not comparing Vanilla ICS to GingerBlur...

    yes skins can often introduce a little bit of performance hit, but there is no denying that the skins often present a much more polished experience...ICS is a little different because Google took some real care in designing the UI...but on Froyo and Gingerbread there was no comparison visually between Vanilla and Skinned...

    outlast in the sense that it will be supported? i guess so, but not because it performs better, simply because its completely open...

    please...stop lying to yourself...


    right, it got outclassed by SPECS lol...the DX was VZW's flagship device for a good year as well...whats your point?

    hellloooooo RAZR MAXX lol...it already lasts that long...

    never said the GNex was not an amazing phone...just that IMO...the MAXX is the better piece of hardware...

    im educated plenty my friend, and its rather disrespectful and ignorant to assume your opinions are factual...the MAXX has the better hardware...period...and we shall see how it performs when it eventually gets its ICS update...

    Moto has improved Blur with every update and i see no reason why they wont again with ICS...Blur was so much improved with Gingerbread that it completely won over some of the most hardcore anti-blur people out there...heck Vanilla Gingerbread doesnt even have speed dial!! (WHAT!?)

    +1000

    truly i wish at the end of the day Moto would unlock their bootloaders so that people would have access to such great hardware and the freedom to install whatever they wanted on the OS front...

    i would put money on my next statement...RAZR MAXX vs GNex...both with unlockable bootloaders...i know exactly which phone the majority of devs would be using...and its not made by Samsung...
     
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  25. VoidedSaint

    VoidedSaint Resident Ninja

    this is pretty much spot on, however i must use the updates standpoint

    moto has been pretty good about updates, and google is just beast when it comes to updates.

    however unlocked bootloaders

    maxx will win hands down with dev support
    but i would have to bet that devs would develop for both.

    it would be easy to assume anything with both being unlocked...

    problem is we cant see it yet :( but we can always have faith. just not in moto haha.


    but my personal opinion moto would have more support. not that much more, but it would have more
     

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