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Non user Replaceable Battery: alarming trend

Discussion in 'Android Lounge' started by kach310, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. kach310

    kach310 Newbie
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    Is it a matter of worry that most phone makers now a days coming up with devices with no options for users to replace batteries. As if they are trying to keep the key of the Phone so that you need to contact them to open it up. Don't anybody find this alarming. Why no body is coming up with a class action lawsuit against this practice which prevents user to have full control over their phones for which they paid pretty good amount of money. Not only that, Users are also unable to change battery in case someone needs a higher capacity one and battery pull out resetting is also not possible.
    I am really sad to say that Apple has initiated this trend and because of their insane success now other phone makers are following apple. :(

    What is your opinion regarding this?
    Do you support this trend or not? Can anyone come up with a poll on this?

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  2. Rxpert83

    Rxpert83 Dr. Feelgood

    Most phone manufacturers have made it so that a combination of button presses will restart the phone in much the same way a battery pull does. (HTC=Power+volume up+volume down)

    Personally, I'll live just fine with a non-removable battery. If I need to I can stretch 3+ days out of my HTC EVO with the stock battery. I can see how this would be an issue for power users who spend all day playing games though. I am with you that the choice should be left up to the user, but I'm not sure that's something that you can have a lawsuit over.

    Vote with your dollars. Buy a phone with a removable battery.
  3. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Android Expert

    For me it's not about battery life, it's about the lifetime of the battery. I wont buy a phone that I can't pop in a new battery when it wears out.
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  4. rui-no-onna

    rui-no-onna Android Enthusiast

    Never found this to be an issue even back when I was using dumbphones. By the time the batteries on my phones crapped out, I was ready to replace the phone. More often than not, it was harder to source batteries for my old phone and aftermarket replacements I've tried don't last as long as the originals.
  5. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Android Expert

    I've needed to replace the battery before I replaced the phone on almost every cellphone I've owned. Batteries lose full capacity after around 400-600 charges. If you plug in once a day that's somewhere around a year and a half. Not long enough.
  6. pool_shark

    pool_shark Android Expert

    I have never needed to replace a cellphone battery.
    It doesn't matter to me of the battery is removable or not.
  7. Pitamakan

    Pitamakan Android Enthusiast

    Doesn't bother me, at all. At the rate technology is moving these days, phones are obsolete in a couple of years, and cell phone contracts give us new, discounted phones every two years. That's well before a battery designed with current technology will give out.
  8. kach310

    kach310 Newbie
    Thread Starter

    I think the idea of using a user non replaceable battery is something I cannot accept. Its just another way of keeping you restrained. Can't think any other device that doesn't give you this freedom except wristwatch, not to mention Apple devicesthat made keeping people in chain an Art.
  9. rui-no-onna

    rui-no-onna Android Enthusiast

    The battery on my original Apple iPhone (4 yrs old) is still working fine up to now. Holds its charge pretty well. Far better than my mom's feature phone.

    If having a non-user replaceable battery means I can go 7 days without charging instead of needing to charge my phone everyday, I'd be happy to switch.
  10. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Android Expert

    But how many cycles has it gone through? That's what matters.

    It doesn't. Removable or not has nothing to do with it. Power ratings do and they are what they are.
  11. kach310

    kach310 Newbie
    Thread Starter

    Its refreshing to know there are people like me who uses a phone for more than two years. Thought this forum was full of rich people who changes phone every year so doesnt care much about non replaceable battery. Glad that i am proved wrong.

    Congratulations for your four year old phone. That is a great achievement.

    @ crash, what about people who uses their phone heavily for not gaming only but for intensive 3g data, emailing and calling. They need to recharge almost twice a day, hence after a year or so the battery might go EOL as well as the phone warranty.
  12. rui-no-onna

    rui-no-onna Android Enthusiast

    Don't actively use it anymore. It's on pay-as-you-go prepaid service as a backup/emergency/car phone. :p Now you made me feel guilty about purchasing the Galaxy Nexus. :eek:
  13. Pitamakan

    Pitamakan Android Enthusiast

    A couple of things to keep in mind about "cycles," used in this context:

    1. A battery that's gone through 400-600 charge cycles won't have the functionality that it did when brand new, but it won't be anywhere near dead, either. Most of them would probably still have 70-80% of their original capacity; they'd need to be plugged in a little more often than when new, but still be quite usable.

    2. The term "cycle" refers to a full discharge and full recharge ... it's not every time you plug it in the charger. Most people won't fully discharge their phone every single day -- though given the crappy battery life of some Android phones, some people certainly will. :/
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  14. wxman2003

    wxman2003 Android Enthusiast

    It's not just this one point that is an issue to me, but the combination. First they had one year or 2 year contracts with $50 or $100 off for upgrade. Then it became a 2 year contract with $50 off. Then it became a 2 year contract with no additional money off. Now it is a 2 year contract where you pay $30 to upgrade. First it was unlimited data. Then it became throttled data after so much use. Then it became 2GB monthly allowance. Now it's batteries you can not replace. Soon, the grandfather clause will disappear.
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  15. Pitamakan

    Pitamakan Android Enthusiast

    Capitalism at its best.
  16. NikkiC

    NikkiC Well-Known Member

    As a former Apple iPhone user, I am used to not having a phone with a replaceable battery so I guess for that reason when I got the HTC One X, it really didn't bother me that it also doesn't have a replaceable battery. Having said that, I do think that it is silly of phone companies to follow suit and start producing phones without replaceable battery's. That was one thing about android phones that I felt was superior to iPhones. Not sure what they hope to achieve by changing to this way of thinking.
  17. Roze

    Roze Hiding behind a mystery

    Once I get a new phone, I plan to give my Atrix to my dad and he will give the (older) one to my little nephew. So that would means I expect my phone to go through at least 3 generations (6 years if noone loses it). For a non-removable battery, I doubt the battery will last that long.

    Also, there are people that cannot afford to buy the newest, latest and greatest. If they want a smartphone, they might buy a used one that's a couple of years old. Having a removable battery means that if the battery has lost its capacity, they can change it for very cheap.
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  18. rui-no-onna

    rui-no-onna Android Enthusiast

    Yes, it's the power ratings that matter but it's possible that a non-replaceable design would allow the use of higher capacity batteries than a replaceable design would. That's how ASUS first got 8-hour battery life on their netbooks. At the time, they also released a similar netbook with user-replaceable battery but only had 5-hours battery life. Besides, isn't this also the case with the Droid RAZR and Droid RAZR MAXX?
  19. kach310

    kach310 Newbie
    Thread Starter

    How can a user nonreplaceable battery will have more capacity than a user replaceable battery of same power? Is it technologically possible?
  20. kach310

    kach310 Newbie
    Thread Starter

    @ rui no onna , no need to feel guilty. Where I live, all phones sold are unlocked thus a hefty price tag. Can't think of throwing away a 500 $ phone after just a year of use. I might be a little rich but a waste is always a waste. It is much more affordable to exchange a phone that comes with a 100 $ contract with many other facilities like free talk time, free internet etc. It hardly puts a dent in the wallet.
  21. Crashdamage

    Crashdamage Android Expert

    In a given size device, yes. Not a good trade-off to me. Given equal power I'll take a slightly larger device with a replaceable battery every time.
  22. DataJog

    DataJog Lurker

    To this day it amazes me that vendors keep doing this. The HP Veer has no means to replace the battery. What were they thinking? I'm one year into the Samsung Charge and I need to replace the battery to get a full day out of it.
  23. Sideman

    Sideman Well-Known Member

    The non-replaceable batteries can be larger (more capacity) because there's no need for the cage/carrier that holds them. The cage/carrier takes up a fair amount of space. Battery technology being what it is today, phone makers are trying to give customers what they want.....longer and longer battery life.

    I want replaceable batteries, so I think a trade-off would be for manufacturers to make these devices such that a technician could replace these batteries. I've seen many devices that would be seriously damaged if a tech tried to replace the battery. That CAN be avoided by better design/manufacturing. But that also means devices could have a much longer life span....and the retailers don't want to let that to happen!!

    Our current state of affairs is to sell throw-away devices to force more sales. Very sad, but true.
  24. Pitamakan

    Pitamakan Android Enthusiast

    In parts of the world where phones are sold unsubsidized, I can definitely see people wanting to extend the life of their devices, and thus choosing to opt for a replaceable battery ... and I think that if enough people continue to do that, companies will still make at least some phones with removable batteries.

    In countries where phones are sold with a carrier subsidy (like the US), though, I can see removable batteries becoming rarer and rarer ... and in real-world terms I still don't think that's going to be too much of an issue. Definitely not speaking about anyone in this thread, at all (because I don't know where you're from), I've always thought that the complaints of "I can't affort a new smartphone" from US customers were a little disingenuous, at best, for a couple reasons:

    1. Most companies have free or very low-cost smartphones available on contract. Not everyone needs to go for the top-of-the-line $300 Galaxy. Heck, you can even get an iPhone for free nowadays.

    2. If you have a smartphone, you need a data plan to make it useful, and most carriers require it. If you use the data plan enough that you have to worry about battery life, your plan is probably costing you at least $30 a month ... which comes out to $720 over the life of a two-year contract. The cost of the device pales in comparison, and the cost of the data suggests that if you're broke, you can't afford a smartphone anyway.
  25. rui-no-onna

    rui-no-onna Android Enthusiast

    It's the forced data plans that make smartphones expensive. As you said, you can get plenty of free smartphones (even iPhone) on contract but I know a lot of folks who forgo smartphones for feature phones because they don't want to pay the mandatory $20~30/month minimum for data plans (comes out to $480~720 over the life of the contract).

    Besides, prepaid options that don't require data plans do exist. Good for folks who don't always need to have internet on their phones or have easy access to wi-fi. With today's economy, I see more and more people moving to prepaid so I'd say this is a valid complaint.
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