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Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by Bob Maxey, May 22, 2011.

  1. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    So far, the Obama administration has approved more than 1,300 wavers to his health care plan.

    How do you all feel about that?


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  2. I didn't know socialism came with waivers...
  3. SB13X

    SB13X Android Expert

    Something I'll never grasp is the American attitude to a proper universal healthcare system. The NHS is a great success story in Britain imo.
  4. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    Apparently, it does.

    I expect the plan to be tossed in favor of something a tad more reasonable. It is rather odd, though. It is the democrats taking care of their people much like us republicans are blamed for doing the same.
  5. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    Not so sure it is all that great. I think I read that on some web site somewhere. Since you live there, care to briefly outline the benefits of your system and tell us/me where our system falls short?

    Were you aware that we are forbidden by law to turn away emergencies in this country? Is it this way in GB? And every so-called free system is not free; it costs money.

    So educate me/us.
  6. XplosiV

    XplosiV Master X is Watching You

    20-30 years ago the NHS probably was great, but not any more, not since all the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers have bloated it, and they are not the only problem, the brits who live off the state and cant be bothered to get a job and end up with various issues due to a lack of exercise and diet are just as bad IMO.

    It (the NHS) is at least in part paid my National Insurance contributions more info on the rates Here and is deducted from gross pay, as is Income Tax.

    Generally you get your NI card when you turn 16, and this probably equates to your social security number, its with you for life, and so every employer will deduct your NI automatically and they also contribute on your behalf. In order to get a full state pension you need to have paid into the NI system for something like 30 years, otherwise you only get partial state pension. I believe you can also get an NI card when becoming a British citizen.

    NHS coveres pretty much all health care, and hospital fees along with dental.

    Thats a start, im sure someone else will correct me if im wrong, and/or add to the explanation.
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  7. lordofthereef

    lordofthereef Android Expert

    This is only he case in government owned hospitals. Not the case if they are privately owned. Worth noting IMO.
  8. SB13X

    SB13X Android Expert

    Pretty much what Xplosiv said. Every treatment even certain cosmetic treatments are undertaken by the NHS. There is very little not covered by it.

    More can be found here:

    NHS core principles
  9. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    I am not so sure that is true. Unless you are talking about hospitals in GB. Not sure, so feel free to clarify if I am wrong.

    It might be, but suppose I had an emergency and the only hospital close by was a private hospital, and they turned me away? I would sue them, and that is one reason I think I would get immediate attention. They fear a crushing law suit.

    Then again, I am not sure about private hospitals and the rules that apply.
  10. noah way

    noah way Android Enthusiast

    The NHS is based on three core principles:

    • that it meet the needs of everyone
    • that it be free at the point of delivery
    • that it be based on clinical need, not ability to pay

    Can't have that kind of socialist crap here. You can't pay, you deserve to die. What are they trying to do, put the insurance companies out of business?
  11. Crude

    Crude Android Expert

    Wrong, private hospitals cannot turn away emergencies or title 19. Sorry that's why an over nighter costs $10000.
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  12. log1c

    log1c Android Enthusiast

    I am one for Universal Health Care....just not really the way Obama is doing it, it will take a very long time to transition, it can't be rushed in to
  13. mdram

    mdram Android Enthusiast

    so does everyone in the country contribute to the cost? (ie pay taxes)
  14. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    God damn those couple of thousand of people trying to escape from the shitholes they escaped them
    I doubt they cost that much to f
  15. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    I'm pretty sure the only people who have never paid taxes are under the age of five
    Of course, some people pay net in, or get net back, same in any situation
    Obama doesn't have a UHC plan does he?
    He was talking about how close our countries were today in Dublin ... that's right, we both have shitty healthcare systems
  16. mdram

    mdram Android Enthusiast

    true, @ 47% of americans pay 0 taxes, and some of them get refunds after paying none
  17. jcash3

    jcash3 Android Enthusiast

    I just don't think that we have the money to pay for such a system in the US right now. We are spending more and more every day and the debt is continuing to pile up. I think that everyone(that is here legally) should be entitled to some form of healthcare, but this is a beast of a program that we just don't have the money for right now.

    Not to mention that bureaucrats tend to take easy, cheap concepts and turn them into time consuming money pits...

    Take Alaska for example. The government decided that they would build a new maximum security prison because the other one is at capacity and they wanted to be able to import prisoners from other states into Alaska. The building is nearing completion and now the government has decided that it might cost too much money to keep open. So, we might have a massive empty prison in Wasilla, AK. There are even rumors that they will have to hire security to keep people from breaking into the prison. Why in world would they have not done some research to figure out the upkeep of such a building. Our government has this spend fist mentality that is going to ruin us eventually.

    Rant over... Sorry for getting off topic
  18. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    No, we have but one thread on this topic. The topic is the 1300 plus wavers given out like free cheese.
  19. log1c

    log1c Android Enthusiast

    Obama wants a Universal Health Care, but his take on it is kind of different than how a Universal Health Care is run. Most Universal Health care systems which is adapted by pretty much every industrialized country besides the US is ran by the government entirely in which funding is through taxes like how we fund public schools, parks, roads, libraries, police, fire dpt, etc here in the states. I am not sure, but most of these countries with the Uni Health Care also have insurance companies labeled for private health. Here in the states, Obama's take on Universal Health Care isn't entirely ran by the government, but more of a negotiation with these rich insurance companies to provide health care to every single American citizen.

    the only thing I am unsure about is surgery costs and stuff
  20. JimmyRayBob

    JimmyRayBob Android Enthusiast

    I, for one, am not the least bit surprised by waivers .... all 1300 of them. Nothing hypocritical that our government does surprises me sadly.
  21. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    in most countries, healthcare is not provided by the government UK style, but is regulated by it
    Usually everyone is forced to get insurance, with the government subsidizing premiums and managing insurance companies
    While IMO the socialist system is best, the system described is cheap to implement in the short term, and is obviously cheaper than what the the US has now in the long term
    I think Ireland is the last very rich country without UHC apart from the US, however the conservative party are implemting it to reduce costs and to end the unfair two twirling system
  22. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Shock fact: the US spends more per person on healthcare in the world, yet 30% of people or under/not insured, and life expectancy is lower in countries that spend HALF AS MUCH (PPP %GDP)

    The US spends a rediculous amount on healthcare bureaucracy (25% of spending)
    I'm not aware of countries that surpass that

    In another thread I discussed (or rather shouted at a wall) this with another member. I gave up replying as he was most likely trolling me tho, you can read my posts there
  23. nlsme

    nlsme Android Expert

  24. jcash3

    jcash3 Android Enthusiast

    Great point, another reason why the governments role in our lives should be limited, as the founders designed it to be.
  25. mdram

    mdram Android Enthusiast


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