Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by Okur, Jan 17, 2011.
Too true. I think so long ad you ate not coming from a desire, the wildfire is a stand-up choice
Ooh no, I've seen a couple here at work and the screen is horrid
Also, lot of anger in this thread...
Desire will get this, Desire will get that, won't get this, won't get that.
Always rumour and speculation without any facts to back things up.
Until I get an announcement from a reliable source I never believe it.
Tony, I have gingerbread for you.
I think your point is interesting, but I have disagreed previously with someone else using a similar analogy.
For one, you've arbitrarily decided that 18 months is the de facto "support" period for a phone to be kept up to date. Why is this? You're apparently basing this so-called reasonable amount of time on the rate of technology advancement within the smartphone sector. You seem to be neglecting the fact that carriers who subsidise handsets, particularly in Europe, have contract lengths of between 18 and 24 months.
Let's also consider that Windows Updates usually GIVE you 10 years worth of bug fixes, for absolutely free. Whereas with an Android device, you're saying it's fair to pay a monthly subscription fee but then be left out in the cold after a time that you've decided is reasonable. No, a consumer shouldn't expect a brand new version of Android, but fact is a lot of these are point releases. They fix BUGS and PROBLEMS and ISSUES. Not unlike a patch. You shouldn't have to pay for a patch, and so why is it not reasonable for people to expect they get a patch?
Your analogy holds no water at all. Desktop operating systems are kept up to date for free for the support lifetime of the operating system (which with Windows is usually a decade or something) for a one off payment for the operating system itself. With a smartphone you're at the mercy of the carrier and manufacturer irrespective of whether you're paying a monthly fee or you bought it outright. It's completely different.
problem is MOST of the people who 'want' 2.3 and above (wait for the 3.0 lot to appear IF they havent already) and those who create THESE type of threads...DONT want it because it can fix things..they just WANT it so they feel they have one better than before...
as has been said numerous times 2.3 gingerbread doesnt give that much over 2.2 froyo as say 2.2 did over 2.1 which was quite a fair bit...but yet we STILL have people bitching and crying "I want 2.3!!" "THEY ARENT RELEASING I...A POX ON HTC!!! ON ANDROID!!!! IM GOING TO IPHONE!!!!" yadda yadda.....we've heard this all before...
thats the point people are making about support timing with devices such as smartphones etc...at least how I and others see it anyway..
I understand that, all I was saying is that his analogy between a mobile OS like Android and something like Windows for PC is not valid because they're treated completely differently.
I appreciate that a lot of people on these forums are bitching and moaning to get 2.3 for the sake of it. However, I am not one of those people. He was specifically making reference to updates that include point releases, and so that is what my post was addressing; not the wider issues of people generally moaning.
my GF has just got a nexus S and TBH 2.3 seems to be not much more than a UI update....having seen how minor the update seemed from 2.1 to 2.2 and have now used 2.3 I think I can wait.... massive fuss over not that much! be happy with what you have! the grass isn't always greener...
Everyone should either stop whining or get a Nexus One or a Nexus S, so you'll have all your precious updates on time.
to be fair there was quite a difference between 2.1 and 2.2....namely full user flash and the apps2sd without rooting (which yes I know was perfect but still) there was alot of other lil things too and bug fixes...much more than say the difference between 2.3 and 2.2...
but I do agree the fuss is a lil much for something thats well not much different at all...just people want to be the 'ones with the latest kit'....
Fair comments. I chose 18 months as this is the approximate speed at which I see the technology moving. I appreciate that carriers tend to offer 24 as well as 18 month contracts, but I don't think this has much of a baring on anything; at least twice now I have taken a new model of phone on an 18 month contract and after 15 months it's been U/S - one of them was the G1. Do carriers do this intentionally? I couldn't say. I'd like to think not, but it's also a happy co-incidence that they are able to lock someone into a new contract as a phone dies / is no longer supported / is no longer cutting edge. Just saying.
Regarding my Android v PC OS analogy. Again, I can see your point and to an extent agree. However, I still believe that the patches you refer to are NOT the same as jumping from 2.0-2.1, 2.1-2.2, etc. When I was receiving OTA updates I'd receive several in between any new Android version that were patches to fix bugs, etc, much like you do with a PC. Yes, these should be on-going. But I still thing the 2.1-2.2-2.3 / XP-Vista-Win7 analogy stands as these are direct new versions of an OS, not patches.
But then, maybe we're all comparing apples (s'cure the pun) and oranges (and again). Maybe the concept of an upgradable smartphone OS and the fact that it is a) more intrinsically tied to a unique technology - certain phones using specific tech - and b) unavailable to buy as a standalone upgrade from the shops in the same way that Windows is, is still sufficiently unique that we cannot draw simple analogies or find ready-made solutions. Maybe we're on a new road now, and have to find for ourselves what is right and what is wrong, what is acceptable as the consumer and what is unpalatable.
to be fair gingerbread does not bring much new stuff to the table, u dont really need it. However if like me u want it then root the phone and download. im using oxygen 2.3 and its fast and slick for a beta.
Its crisper Aesthetically. A few new menu options, not much but dark themed which is nice. Esepcially on the Amoled desire.
actually after seeing it running in the flesh on the Nexus S I dont much like the change from white to black with certain menus....it lacks the definition on some things...like same for example...when you hit the menu key on the homescreen and the box comes up with "themes, wallpaper, apps, add etc etc" I liked the white and the fact each box was clear...on the new version its like all black and bleh..
I dunno after having many many MANY phones over the years I've kinda gotten REALLY sick of seeing black undefined menus and such...and yes im aware the core android menus are still the same black lol but thats different lol...shush
Am I missing something but I just do not get this idea that there is any obligation to keep devices upgraded with the latest software.
If I buy a car it is because at the point that I make the purchase it represents the offer that best suits my needs or wallet. If it develops a fault I expect the vendor to put it right, and if the manufacturer discovers an issue which might develop in to a probelm I expect them to do a recall and fix it. But if they develop a new model with a better engine I do not expect them to upgrade my car.
Likewise with a phone, I signed up for the Desire because at the time I did so it provided the best solution for my needs. I was happy with the Froyo update because it sorted a few niggles I had, none of which were really a major problem. If they do not offer a Gingerbread upgrade then I will still have a phone that I am more than happy with.
Maybe a better approach for the sake of your peace of mind would be to just be happy if you get an upgrade rather than planning to be unhappy if you don't!!!
I agree. But its good that they do do it for a period.
If you are using the device to solve some business and/or personal tasks and the phone is performing satisfactory, you don't bother what version of software you are using !
If you want to have ALWAYS the newest device, the newest software and applications, just change your phone every 6 months to one year !
End of the story !
There is no Manufacturer in this world to support ALL devices for an infinite time limit for ALL new software releases !
I'm sure that for most smartphone users it's a "must have gadget" not a real need ! So, if you have the money, buy a new gadget every year ! This is what all Vendords want from you !
P.S. I'm a normal user, I'm not working for a phone Manufacturer/Distributor...
maybe not ALL devices...but...
yes...those makers old dying symbian phones...
they STILL update the 5800....yea seriously...I kid you not...last time I checked they sent v52 firmware out LAST decemeber......yea...seriously...
probably because the 5800 was the last decent phone Nokia made.
To be fair, google is still in the process of sort this issue out. If you have noticed they have started to release their app in a different cycle to the rest of the OS. I think that is how they want to move towards a more modulated approach. This would make it much easier for the developers of the manufacturers. As the more that Google can fit into just the marketplace, the less they have to adjust specifically for the phone.
I personally feel that the move towards a more modulated update is preferred.
well thats damn right....bloody n97 just wasnt as good I feel...had quite a few major bugs in them along with the mini too...
the 5800 was actually quite stable...if ugly and quite cheap too lol
I agree. Since getting 2.2 (I started on 2.1 and wanted 2.2, which I'm very happy with, 2.3 would be kinda nice I guess but if not I am not going to have any bad feelings whatsoever towards HTC) we've had several updates to things like gmail which previously we might have had to wait for OS updates for, and those updates have been very worthwhile adding some nice features and fixing a few bugs, I'm very happy with the updates I've received.
A little harsh . Up until getting the Desire in May last year I had an N82 which was a very solid phone with an excellent camera and a good set of features for its time. Of course now it looks like it belongs in a museum but I was a happy little user while it was all I had.
GingerVillain, eh? That's quite a change for you, Mr Defrost! How's that working so far?
the n82 was released the year before 5800 so Mr Evil's comment can be pretty valid...I mean what did they release later?....n97? yea....right lol....the n8? ahahah...yea...NEXT!