Pet peeve - consolidating threads

I'm thankful for mods in general and I know they do things for a purpose. But one thing I've noticed is a propensity to stuff new threads into a vaguely-related run-on thread.

I'm not picking on one particular one, but just need an example:
http://androidforums.com/threads/nexus-6-sounds-notification.902774/

Original post is distorted sounds.
New post is a way to unlink notification sound and ringer sound.
Hey, they're both related to sound, let's just stuff 'em together. Why not?

I'll tell you some reasons why not:
1 - the subject is different.
2 - People following the original thread will see this unrelated topic and be annoyed by off-topic question at the end of a thread (they don't know it was the moderator rather than op that put it there)
3 - People looking for info on the new topic will never find it because it's buried at the end of an unrelated topic.
4 - The op's post can be distorted by completely deleting the subject line which is in some cases has important info (matybe not this particular case, but I had an android wear version number erased from my post because mod saw fit to combine it and deleted title in the process).
5 - responses change. I didn't quote the op because I was in a one-person thread. Now that the thread has been moved to a run-on marathon thread, I certainly would have quoted so people could make sense of the flow of the conversation.
6 - Roll several confusions like 1, 2, 4, 5 into one long thread (with many merges) on multiple problems, sometimes intermixed (people responding to different questions in the same thread) and you have a mess that nobody can follow or wants to follow.

The list goes on and on. Imo very little benefit is gained from merging questions into a long thread and almost always things are made muddier. I have at least 5 original posts of mine from moto 360 forum that were merged into topics that I didn't consider they belonged in (that's why I posted them as separate threads). I complained once on the forum in detail explaining exactly why my post should not be moved and had my complaint deleted. So I complained by PM and my PM was ignored. It was a little frustrating, so I didn't bother contesting all those ones that came after. Maybe that was a bad idea because it has been grating at me more than it should. But the specifics of any of these is probably beside the point (I could resurrect the details of the five merges I found objectionable if requested, but not sure that would suit a productive purpose at this point). My main point is that it seems whatever effort is put into this consolidation has primarily negative returns.

 

Well, I hope everyone would agree that the particular merge linked above was detrimental to both topics.

You’re hoping to make things easier to find…. by moving them? Think about that….it certainly won’t make them easier to find for the people that participated in them before they were moved (op and me in the linked case). That’s already a guaranteed inconvenience which we only *hope* will be outweighed by the convenience of some unknown hypothetical searchers that we think might benefit from viewing this particular content within a long-runon thread.

And much more importantly: the long run-on thread syndrome discourages detailed discussion of individual cases. I posted very detailed sequence of things that were associated with a one-time rapid battery drop on my moto 360 into a unique thread. It was promptly deposited into the end of a generic battery life thread. I’m sorry but I already know what kinds of things affect battery life in general (and if I didn’t know but wanted generalities, I’d google it!). But what I wanted was a detailed back and forth discussion of my particular symptoms. It isn’t going to happen in a long thread where no-one can keep track of my particular symptoms and separate them from the guy that posted before me and the guy that’ll post two posts later than me (and sure enough, it didn’t happen).


I hope you can see the theme I keep hitting is there are many many things that can go wrong when you hack away at carefully constructed and (sometimes) carefully placed threads. I don’t think there should be a predisposition to merge when uncertain. Mod shouldn’t merge unless he fully understands the questions AND feels strongly that there is benefit from moving. And there should be no pressure on mod to merge anything he hasn’t studied carefully. I observe the mods in general to be very knowledgeable, courteous and thorough in almost all interactions…. and that observation doesn’t square with this seemingly indiscriminant merging unless maybe there is some policy or quota that pressures the mods to merge baby merge

That's just my take. My personal experience: every time I see one of my new threads is moved to obscurity/obfuscation at the end of a run-on thread, I get annoyed and realize on the spot that I might as well give up on getting the useful specific info I was seeking.

 

I forgot another potential pitfall of merging threads illustrated in my original link: The new post was not only merged into an unrelated post, but it was merged into an unrelated post that was marked ANSWERED. But the new guy's post isn't answered. And no-one knows there's a non-answered unrelated question hidden at the bottom of that answered thread on unrelated topic.

So add that to the list of many things that can and do go wrong when merging.

I get that the site needs to cope with large number of posts in the vein you described (newbies who didn't search and asked very general question without even providing relevant details). I don't feel any of my merged posts fell anywhere close to that. If there is need to screen a large volume without carefully reading them, then maybe a glance at who is posting (newbie or regular) and the length/detail of the post might be helpful part of the screening (longer posts by regulars may merit a few more seconds review before getting out the shovel).

 

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My November 10th post in this thread was originally separate with the actual android wear app version number in the title. Got merged into a thread on an earlier completely different update and in the process threw away my title. What we have here is a mess. Maybe regulars who have been following can piece from the timeline which posts are talking about which version. A new guy stumbling in will have no idea what version came out when and where he stands in relation to the thread. I tried to improve the situation by creating a new thread with an actual software version number in the title. It was not allowed to stand as such.

 

My post October 15 here was originally a separate thread. My subject concerned one time battery drain. It's thrown into a collection of "battery life" which is not the same thing as one-time battery drain. On top of that I now know some of the regulars view these run-on threads as garbage heap upon which to throw newbie posts not worthy of specific response (that's sort of what you said Kolio although I've twisted it a little to emphasize my point)... so who's really going to see it. I did get some response for which I'm appreciative, but I think it would have been more if we didn't hide my post on the end of that heap devoted to a different subject (which is why I didn't post it there to begin with)

 

I'm sure there were a few more threads of mine that had been merged, but I wasn't able to track them down.

I'm not requesting any change to my old threads. If I see anything like that in the future, I'll just report it for review on a case by case basis using the PM or report tools.

 

Related pet peeve is merging two consecutive unrelated posts by a single author in a single thread.

• It makes it hard for author or readers to identify what time the individaul posts were made.
• It makes it hard for anyone to identify there is something new in the thread (because the new content is merged with the old).
• It makes it hard to distinguish which of the unrelated ideas were "liked"
• In some cases it makes it harder to separate the two ideas because the structure (separate posts) created by author of those posts is disrupted.

If I wanted to combine my two consecutive posts, I would have. That in itself should be enough signal to leave it alone. I see zero benefit from such combination. It is simply an irritation every time I see it happen to my posts. Particularly the Moto 360 forum where it is a regular occurrence.

 

Post ANYthing in moto360 forum in consecutive posts (same thread, with no posts between), and it WILL be merged. It doesn't matter if it's a completely different aspect of the thread or if the two posts are hours apart. I've reported the last two occurrences using the thread report tool, but I have the feeling it would be bad form to post them here. (If I'm mistaken, then let me know). It is very annoying. There is no logic or benefit that I can detect.

The only concern I can see is if someone views the thread twice and gets annoyed to see not much difference in the discussion.
It does not apply when the 2nd post is completely different aspect of the thread than the first.

In contrast if people go back and edit their first post hours later to add different content (rather than creating new post with new content), there's a good chance that readers will miss the new information because no indication of a new post appears.