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  1. drexappeal

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    I'm not much for benchmarks, but the US incarnations of the SGSII show the processing speed as absolutely crazy fast:
    Galaxy S II Performance Tests, AT&T & Sprint: Fastest Androids Yet : Online Social Media

    Again, I'm not much for benchmarks because a lot of times, it doesn't test "real life" scenarios, but at the same time, those speeds are crazy! Nothing is even close.

    I will say this, though. If Motorola or HTC step up their game to get the processing speed where the SGSII is at, I'd still choose either manufacturer over Samsung (until Samsung shows changes towards their mobile phone support).
     

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    I keep flip flopping. I'm pretty certain I dont want the GS2 (low res, enormous screen), slow charge, poor updates, etc.

    I did immediately notice this on the photon when I looked at it:

    [​IMG]

    Not nearly as bad as the Nexus S or Galaxy S AMOLED, but I still think it would bother me.
     
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    I'm not surprised, really. The Exynos chip is pretty hoss, and clocked higher than our Tegra 2. I'm not a big fan of benchmarks in cell phones, though, since most of what I do does not require tremendous amounts of processing power. I just want the phone to be smooth. :)

    As for the screen, I can see it appealing to those bothered by the Photon's PenTile screen. I'm sure it will be beautiful, if a little oversaturated (like most of Samsung's phones). I'll take my sunlight visibility over that any day, however.
     
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    That's for sure. I was just merely pointing it out for those that still hadn't made their choice, to go with the phone that they feel would be better suited for their needs. No way the Epic Touch 4G does that over the MoPho, for me personally, but for others it might be more along the lines of what they want.
     
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    Theres a couple things helping those benchmarks and one of them is the lower resolution screen along with the 1.2 GHz processor. Samsung phones usually do pretty well on benchmarks when they first come out. One complaint I have been seeing is the battery life of it and theres only a GSM version out now. CDMA tends to eat batteries faster than GSM so it will be interesting to see how people feel about its life after its been out for awhile.
     
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    According to the Sprint website, the GSII Epic 4G Touch has 1 gb of RAM and 16gb of internal memory

    Epic 4G Touch


    Cheers
     
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    I'd be willing to bet this has less to do with processing power and more to do with the coding of the Android OS...look at the iP4, smooth as silk, single core...

    I'd prefer the quality of the IPS LCD in the iP4.

    I am in no way an Apple fanboy, I really enjoy widgets and customization, but you gotta give credit where credit is due.
     
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    my photon 4G was rooted as soon as the non HD dock root was out, it takes less than 3 minutes to root the phone & so far all the reviews i watch with super amoled & plus's are about the same in color & contrast to samsung's 3rd generation RGBW pentile screen *photon 4G screen is a samsung screen & its the screen that will be used for there 10 inch 2560x1600 res display for the 3rd galaxy pad or the ipad 3 its so ef'ing clear that the display of the fruits seem to be sticking out of the screen!* but anyway the pentile RGBW screen are being used on only 2 phone's right now the photon 4G & soon the Droid Bionic. there bright level's are as high as the Nova screen from LG which is 700 nits while the qHD screen is also 700 nits bright its also higher res which makes the pixels smaller & the screen is super sharp. also as i said for comparision of the screens youtube photon 4G vs at&t infuse or nexus s, either way you'll notice 3 things, 1) the black level's are equal. 2) the color's are both as vibrant but the samsung qHD is much brighter especially in whites than the samsung super amoled plus & 3) its way sharper & has way more real screen space for those times your using the keypad it wont take up half the screen & the menus wont look like they're made for blind people because they're so huge it's crazy! the screen is the only reason i wanted the GS2 but i saw the photon's advantages from the kickstand to the tegra 2 to the sGPS *simultaneous GPS* i basically lock into 10 satellites in less than a second! & thats no exaggeration. also my quadrant scores are 2900 to 3100 which is alot for a qHD screen & if you search youtube for "galaxy R" you'll see that the pre production galaxy R scored 3600 much higher than the exynos, the galaxy R uses the 1 ghz tegra 2 soc instead of the 1.2 ghz exynos & even though it was only 1 ghz it scored much higher than the exynos. even my score of 3100 on a qHD screen is equal to getting 3800 & up on an 800x480 screen. the reception is the best of any phone i ever had & i had allot, the speakers are super loud, i don't know if anyone here ever owned or heard a nextel phone speaker but the're LOUD! that's basically what the photon has. also the screen's RGBW red,green,blue,white pixels allow's the screen to use less battery than your phone in standby & uses 40% power than the amoled plus, the reason is because like the amoled plus doesn't use any power for black pixels the RGBW doesn't use power for white pixels *the white pixel is actually clear* since it just doesn't power the white pixel & the backlight just passes straight threw without any pixel's having to be turned on *usually red,green & blue subpixel's have to be turned on to make the color white* & since most background, app's & game's use white more than black pixel's it save's more power & is as bright as the LG Nova screen. i hope im changing your mind but the super amoled plus is something that's hard to resist. just know that the tegra 2 plus tegra games aren't beaten yet & the exynos is not faster nor more powerful even though it's a 1.2 ghz dual core soc it's still not faster, just like the HTC's G2 when released with the snapdragon 800 mhz cpu everyone thought it'd be slow but it turned out that the 800 mhz cpu was processing more efficient than the 1 ghz cpu's that where out & even faster than the hummingbird, no one could believe it but the fact's were there. it's the same thing with the tegra 2. also all the GS2 vs video's are always against a tegra 2 with either a qHD screen, 512 mb's or android 2.2 always some disadvantage. but the droid x2 with the tegra 2, 512 mbs ram & android 2.2 with a 1 ghz dual core cpu still beat the GS2 in the graphics department & you can see the score's in the vs youtube vid's of galaxy 2 vs droid x2, notice the antutu GPU score & when running benchmark 2010/2011 you'll see higher 3D & 2D score's & even in quadrant pro which show's how the score's are added up you'll see the GS2's lower 2D/3D score to the droid x2's tegra chipset. thers allot more but review them & see for yourself.
     
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    ^...............[​IMG]
     
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    any of you guys upgrade from the EVO 4g to the photon? I am trying to justify upgrading to the photon or galaxy sII. Right now the evo really does every thing i need so i am looking for a good reason to get a new gadget. when i went from the pre (RIP) to the evo, there where things the pre wouldn't do that were killing me, the evo really does everything. So for any one who has moved up to the photon which is obviously faster, nicer screen are you happy with the upgrade and is it worth it? i know it is a matter of personal taste so any opinions are appreciated or reasons to justify the upgrade to the wife.

    thanks
     
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    I did and GLAD I did. The Photon destroys the EVO in speed. Has better Radios and my Photon's 3G Reception is ALOT better than what I had on my EVO. The Photon is the EVO on Roids. My wife liked mine so much (she had an OG EVO as well), I got her a Photon today.
     
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    Does the SG2 use the same parts (chips) for 4g, 3g and voice ? There was no doubt in my mind that the SG2 has a faster cpu/gpu; but I'm concern about reception (mostly voice), clarity (no static/distortion) and volume. I know the photon is fairly good in these areas and perhaps this post is a bit premature as no-one has the sg2 yet but maybe I'm mistaken there....
     
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    There are a lot of us that upgraded from the EVO. I absolutely loved the EVO, but there is one thing that I didn't love (e.g. Dreaded "Out of memory" error). I started getting that due to lots of stored cache that no matter what I did, including deleting apps and cache, would still pop up every now and then. I love the MoPho more than I did the EVO (which is saying a lot because I was a long time HTC loyalist until the MoPho).

    Benefits from the Photon that should be noticed immediately (coming from the EVO):
    - The processor allows transitions and phone functionality to continue to run smooth, regardless of how many apps are installed and cache ends up getting stored.
    - Additional internal memory is an absolute "MUST" from any phone I will own from this point forward. Originally, when I got the EVO, there were rumors that it would have more internal storage than it ended up having. Ultimately, that was a huge disappointment for me once it was released (even though I still loved the phone). HTC really has to re-evaluate how important the added internal storage space is. On top of that, Motorola has partitioned the memory space. There's actually only 11.92GB (8.92 for anything, 3 for apps) of usable internal storage (the rest is dedicated to bloatware, necessary software for the system and UI, etc.). What's great is that, when you move apps to the SD, it actually just moves the apps over to the internal storage (not the external SD, if you're using one). So, in essence, the 11.92GB all can be used for apps, even though when you move an app to the SD, it doesn't necessarily move all of the memory the app uses to the SD (but it's enough to keep those 3GB free for apps that specifically need to stay on the 3GB storage area or apps that have to stay on the SD in order to use the widgets).
    - Universal Inbox is fantastic! This is something that wasn't available through HTC phones. The Universal Inbox allows me to see Facebook, Twitter, and all my other non-gmail emails all in 1 inbox. Definitely a plus for me because I'd rather check 1 inbox, rather than having to go into each individual account (that's just my preference).
    - Battery life. The battery is a higher MAH than the EVO, but even with that advantage, the phone just manages battery SO much better than the EVO, I can't even begin to describe how great that experience has been. With the EVO, I would always have a 20 percent drain leaving the phone on standby the entire night (while sleeping) until the morning. Approximately 7-8 hours. With the MoPho, I'd see anywhere from 5% to 10% drop at MOST because of the different battery modes it makes available (can't really describe until you actually look at the phone settings yourself, but there are 3 different modes available to you). Just last night, I only dropped 5% in battery life (from 100) within a 6 hour timeframe (on Nightime Mode and phone on standby).
    - High Resolution - Even though the "screen door effect" is noticable to me, that really doesn't bother me because the colors on the QHD display and higher resolution just make my wallpapers pop! The colors are so crisp, but at the same time seems just as clear to me as I felt the EVO was. Screen is not that important a factor for me because I'm not super particular (w/ exception to 3D because it makes me dizzy), but the higher resolution is really great.
    - Camera. Some people say the camera's not great. I think it's 10X's better than the EVO 4G camera was. I think the only thing that I noticed that I thought was better, but might not be, is nightime pictures. The pictures I've taken in full darkness have come out much better than the EVO's full darkness pictures, however...I noticed that taking pictures of objects (whatever they are) further away from the camera don't pick up as well as the EVO did. For me, that's not as important because when I'm taking pictures at night in full darkness, it's usually to snap pictures of people within 5-10 feet of me. From the closer distance, the still pictures are much better on the MoPho. Take pictures in the dark of things farther away, it's not as good. The video capture is absolutely 10x's better than the EVO! I have a camera discussion thread that was started and I posted a video I took with my phone in the Moto Car Dock. After I shot that, I was convinced that the video capture on the MoPho absolutely demolished anything the EVO did in the past. Before, camera quality wasn't a big factor for me, but the MoPho has kinda spoiled me into evaluating that in the future (especially because it prevents me from needing a separate point and shoot camera to carry around).
    - Active Kickstand. This is a great option just to have. I don't really love or hate it. There is a slight "con" to it, in that, when you open the kickstand, it actually deactivates the functionality of keeping the screen on while charging. For me, whenever I'm charging, I like to have my phone stay on, so that I can use it as a desk clock. I've already developed the habit of making sure it's activated when I start charging, but it'd be great if I didn't have to do that all the time. Now, the landscape deskclock mode is pretty cool (whether you're using an aftermarket launcher or not). I don't personally use it that much because I prefer just a black screen with the clock (which is something the EVO had and I've found great apps to replace that).
    - Call quality. Amazing. Motorola has been around longer, so they have that historical advantage to make the call quality on their smartphones stand out over HTC. Especially after the update came out to fix the mute call issue (there is another thread that describes what was happening), it has been spectacular on calls for me. I don't really like talking on the phone that much (I prefer text messaging/email), but when I do talk on the phone, I really like the phone quality. AND, the speaker volume is extremely loud (although, I never had any complaints about the EVO's speaker). The MoPho speaker seems to be louder (there's an additional speaker where the kickstand is located on the back of the phone).
    - Size. Even though it has the same size screen, the way that Motorola ergonomically designed the phone makes it feel like it's so much smaller than the EVO. It's actually a taller phone than the EVO, but I would've never known had I not matched it up to the EVO. It doesn't feel as wide (even though it's almost identical in width) and definitely doesn't feel as thick as the EVO (even though I never really felt that the EVO was that thick). I don't use cases for my smartphones, just because I don't want to have the phone feel bulky (don't use a holster, just pocket).
    - Moto accessories. MUCH better than HTC. If you're a fan of using manufacturer made accessories. Motorola, although maybe not as "fancy" looking as HTC, does right with their accessories. They go for functionality over flash. The Car Dock alone is SO worth it, IMO, and I haven't even ventured into using my HD dock yet, which I've heard mixed things about (but still will probably be fine for my needs).

    Cons (I've already discussed a few of them above, but these are must knows)
    - Some people have experienced a "reboot bug." In my circumstance, I've seen maybe 2 reboots at the most. For the most part, the looping reboot that some have experienced hasn't hit my phone. That said, I personally equate the issue to certain things that I've done to cause the phone to reboot (e.g. too much sun exposure, causing the phone to hit an overheat point and causing a safety reboot). On top of that, there were many experiencing a similar reboot bug on the EVO as well.
    - Motorola's UI homescreen launcher. I personally don't care for it much. It has some nice things, but if you like Sense UI a lot, you'll have to go with alternative options that'll allow you to have similar functions to Sense UI (and there are a lot of options out there that don't require rooting). I'm a 'bit biased here, as I've used Launcher Pro Plus ever since I had my EVO and by far prefer that or Go Launcher Ex to Sense. There are integrated things that were available on HTC's system that seemed much easier than Motorola's. Now, after a month, I've found some great things that Motorola offers in their system that I find far more beneficial to my needs. The widgets on Motorola's user interface are plain and a little ugly, IMO. Especially in comparison to Sense UI. But again, Launcher Pro Plus solves that for me with the built in widgets, so that's not really an issue as far as I'm concerned.
    - Others I've mentioned like the pentile screen, stay awake deactivation when opening/closing kickstand, complete darkness pictures of far away objects, etc.

    Hope this helps you on your decision a 'bit more. Obviously, the pros I list are just the things that I felt by far outshined the EVO and were important for me, but those things might not be as important for you. The cons I list are observations of certain aspects and take that with a grain of salt because the cons that I see on the phone aren't exactly "cons" for me. They're little annoyances that are not troublesome for my overall feel of the MoPho, which is above and beyond the EVO (again, just to reiterate one last time that I loved the EVO).
     
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    Thanks - Nice clear and informative post. I usually just scan long posts; this (and most of yours) I read completely.

    Mike
     
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    thanks drexappeal,
    the most complete response I have ever had to a question on this forum, almost made me run out this afternoon and get a photon, wife be damned.

    what is the deal with rooting the photon? there were all these nasty roomers that the unlocked boot loader would prevent adding new kernels, but it looks from the forums that people were able to get past the bootloader Issue? I really enjoy having an unlocked evo and playing with new roms. however, I too am getting tired of the low memory issues and really do not want to deal with partitioning the SD card.
    also what is the screen door effect?

    thx
     
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    No problem. Glad I could help.

    Regarding rooting...the MoPho was unlocked relatively quickly by the folks at XDA. I think the only issue that had popped up was that people lost their 4G connectivity, but as far as I saw more recently, that was being worked on (if it hasn't been fixed already). There's a sub-forum at the top of the Photon forum specifically with regards to Rooting. If you're intending on Rooting, I'd suggest taking a look through the rooting sub-forum for the Photon, as the folks that post in there would be more adept to answering the questions you might have about that.

    Quite honestly, even though I came from a Windows Mobile background (in which you basically had to jump through hoops to customize those phones), I thought I'd root my EVO the first day that I purchased it. 1 year and 2 months after getting it, I still hadn't rooted the EVO...and I still haven't rooted the MoPho! It took me about 1 month to decide if I really needed to root the phone and by that time I realized that there wasn't really any benefit for me to take the time to actually drill down all the specifics of 1) Backing up the stock ROM, so that I could revert to stock in the event I needed to have the phone checked out, 2) Going through the correct Rooting process that would be best suited for my needs, and 3) Deciding exactly what I would like to do once I rooted the phone that couldn't already be done with a non-rooted phone.

    Regarding the partitioning of the SD card, well, the internal storage is partitioned on the MoPho. 3GB for apps only, 8.92GB for internal storage (apps moved to SD go here, but this can also be used for anything else you'd like to put on the internal storage...it gets recognized as a drive when connected to a CPU). If you put an external SD in the phone, the only thing that I've found that can be directed from the phone to the external card are your pics/vids taken with the camera, as well as any pre-existing music/videos that you move to the card. Additionally, you can install apk's from the external SD.

    There's a thread about the "screen door" effect. It's basically a description of the pixels that can be seen visibly on the screen (at times). Some people are bothered by it, others are not. It sounds exactly like it looks. When you're looking at the screen, at times you can see the pixelation on the screen. I tend to notice it more when the screen brightness goes up (outside, usually) or when I'm viewing a bright colored webpage and scrolling. Here's the thread discussion:
    http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-4g/386331-definitely-has-screen-door-effect.html
    Feel free to bump up that thread if you have any additional questions about it. I'm sure there are more people that would benefit from it, aside from you. Again, it's not something that really bothers me personally, but it is there (I can admit that without a doubt) and it's been a big deal breaker for some folks.
     
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    I have to agree with Drexappeal - The Battery on the Photon is quite frankly AMAZING. Motorola did a Fantastic/Great job with Battery Management. It's the BEST Battery Management out of ANY ANdroid phone so far (I think it has alot to do with the Pentile display). The SGS2 Super Amoles Screen is going to eat Battery so fast, it will be a crime. WIth my EVO I had 2 CHinese Knockoffs (3500 Mah Batteries). The Photon Battery lasts ALL day with (Texting, Phone Calls, Fruit Ninja, Angry Birds, Netflix etc. etc).

    Rooting is Very, Very easy. I have not unlocked the Bootloader yet as I have 4G in my area and don't want to lose it. I rooted to use Titanium Backup and My Backup Pro and Root Explorer (to remove unwanted Sprint Bloatware). I am now just waiting for Free Wireless Tether (that's the one thing I miss from my EVO). It will come in time:)
     
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    I too have been deciding between the photon an gs2, and after way too much research and reading blogs, watching videos, playing with buddies phones, ...............(ya I put way too much effort into a simple decision such as what phone to get, but I have a feeling I am in like company here:))

    Anyways, I have decided on the gs2 for two reasons.
    1. I have always likes Samsung screens, Im a sucker for rich vibrant colors, even at the expence of resolution.
    2. I prefer a thinner phone, which the gs2 has.

    As far as UI goes, I don't care for the photon or for either phone, the NS4G takes the cake there with the vanilla android experience, but it just doesnt have the specs to run with the newer phones.

    I honestly dont think you can go wrong with either of these phones. I could get either one and be happy for a very long time.
     
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    I was eligible for a upgrade from the EVO 4G. I was unimpressed with the Photon 4G screen and the enormous size of the GS2. I decided to go with the Nexus S 4G. Out of pocket cost was ~$50. I now have a phone with 12 month warranty, a new device to play with and am still upgrade eligible.

    Fingers crossed on the Nexus Prime to eventually come to Sprint with 4G.
     
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    I should've also mentioned the fact that the MoPho also allows for removal of certain bloatware apps out-of-box without rooting.
     
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    Finally pulled the trigger this morning, just got back from the Sprint store w/ my new MoPho!

    While I knew it'd be much faster than my previous phones, I still wasn't fully prepared for the punch this phone packs...simply amazing. I was also very happy (as Drex pointed out in the previous post) that you can remove at least some of the bloatware w/ out having to root.

    Phone feels great in my hand, and it actually much thinner that I had expected (though it still has a solid, sturdy build). I suppose much of the difference comes from the fact that my last 2 phones were sliders, and so necessarily thicker.

    Barring any major issues in the next 2 weeks, I can't see trading this thing in for a GS II.
     
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    I was definitely about to get this phone on Sept. 1st, but then when they announced the Epic 4G Touch, all thoughts of getting the Photon vanished. Besides resolution and kickstand, There's nothing I could think of that was better than the E4GT (except the name). So I'm gonna skip the Photon and get the E4GT.
     
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    ... But the Super Amoled screens actually save more battery than any LCD screen.
     
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    How about reception and call quality? For people that uses the smartphone more as a phone or business the Photon excels.
     

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