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  1. Starfleet Captain

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    Ok, I posted this on another thread and I wanted to see what you guys thought.


    I didn't see any mention of NFC (Near Field Communication) . NFC was a much touted feature in gingerbread. It just bothers me that this phone is coming out of the box with gingerbread and missing this cool feature. The iphone 5 is rumored to have this technology built into the phone. Please don't shut us out HTC.

    That said, I will more than likely be buying this thing.
     

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    Why would you want something that could increase your chances of identity theft? With the oodles of stealth rfid scanners out there, I wouldn't want something like that in my phone until the technology becomes more secure.
     
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    What does NFC do?
     
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    It's an RFID reader and can communicate with other RFID readers. You can basically use a phone that has the technology in it in retail to pay for items just by scanning the phone if it's tied to your credit card and you can also scan a credit card with an RFID chip in it with the phone to handle e-commerce transactions. That's pretty much the jist of things
     
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    Yes but that's only one possible application. Its like having a hight tech bar code reader. You could use them to get info from or exchange info with any rfid equipped object. One thing is for sure. If Apple adopts this technology, the ingenuity cogs will start turning. Would it hurt that much to have it included like the latest Samsung phones?
     
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    It would be cool, but not necessary. Also, It am sure it wouldn't constantly tansmit the data, so I don't see much of a security risk. I imagine it is much like the new credit card that you just wave in front of the reader? One must get pretty darn close to get those to work at all. Sure a guy can probably steal some nasty stuff if they get a hand on your phone, but the same is true of your wallet. I, for one, am more aware of where my phone is at any given moment than where my wallet is.
     
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    Better yet, they could make it so that you only can pay money with NFC by opening a certain app. Plus the feature can be toggled on and off on the Nexus S so they could also use that to secure transmitions from being stolen.
     
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    @Sgt Slaughter and the rest in this thread. NFC is a hot topic atm. NFC is tighter than Fort Knox atm as well. I am not exactly sure why. The reason no announcement normally is 1)Means they have something planned for it and it is not ready yet. 2)End User Vendor negotiation i.e ticketmaster is on going. 3)Security concerns here in the U.S. regarding personal data/I.D. theft pending review.
    I have used NFC over seas in Europe and Korea. I think it would be nice option to include on EVO 3D. Currently, U.S. infrastructure to support NFC might be the only limiting factor moving forward. The EVO 4G included everything but the kitchen sink even though we don't use it everyday. If something new comes across the desk it will be posted here on EVO 3D thread. I can't comment on NFC silicon atm.
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    I seem to recall reading that Apple said they won't be using NFC in the iPhone 5. Of course, plans can change.
     
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    @suprmallet, Perfect example I enjoy coming to AF :p
    I always focus more on what EVO 3D fans "want" and let that be the driving force as "what we do". Unfortunately, markets tend to drive innovation at times. NFC may fall under that same umbrella (Market/Innovation) here in the U.S. "EVO" name is about "Evolution", Android is about being "Open" to the Dev Community, and EVO 3D is going to respect that. EVO 3D will not launch with bootloader lock to keep in the spirit of "Openness"driving future innovations. To early to tell at this moment with respect NFC as mentioned in earlier post. I think it is good idea though. Kudos, mentioning a Apple product on a EVO 3D thread. I don't have a witty Apple jab. I will watch a video shooting apples from a Co2 gun in glorious glasses free 3D! Does that count as a Apple jab? Let you guys decide :)
    BSOD
     
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    It did. I can't wait to see some reviews on this. Also I was wondering about extended batteries, how they would look since these new batteries are so square. I think they remind me of some older Motorola batteries.
     
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    My thought on this is that the reason HTC isn't including it is because, at this time, all NFC would do is drive the cost of the handsets up.

    Google is only now in talks with a couple banks using NFC is the US. And assuming the banks agree, it might be more then a year or 2 out before the infrastructure is even there for NFC acceptance.

    The only service I remember that used NFC was at Exxon/Mobil stations. They've had it for years, but I don't know if they even still take it...

    NFC would be a nice feature to have, but if it's not being used, why spend the cash on it to drive up the cost of the handsets?
     
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    Thank you. I haven't understood why people would want this in their phone. Probably the #1 item people get stolen.
     
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    If someone wants your credit card, they are going to steal your wallet, not your phone. Even with that, what is the first thing you do when you lose your wallet (and know it's gone for good)? You call all your credit card companies so as to cancel everything. I seriously don't see how this puts anyone in any more peril than losing a wallet. We aren't proposing (as far as I know) to have social security, driver's license, and passport information stored in this way. Just simple credit card info that one can simply wave over a scanner, which is already built into some cards these days.

    People said the same thing when they were moving from cash/checks to cards. "This is a good way to get things stolen". Well, when I lost my wallet with $100 cash in it I didn't get the cash back. Had someone fraudulently used my debit or credit cards the bank protects me and gives me the money back. I'd literally rather my credit card get stolen over my Franklins for this very reason.
     
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    While I'd love for that to be the case, I'm not holding my breath. The current trend across multiple vendors & providers (Sprint currently excluded of course) is to prevent users from unlocking their phones. I wouldn't be shocked in the least if HTC/Sprint tried to do the same with the 3vo.
     
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    HTC has been very good to developers. It's the only reason they have gotten so much recognition. If they start encrypting the bootloaders i will be looking for a new manufacturer.

    Also, i'm pretty sure evo will have NFC. Google recently teamed up with Visa/MC to further research NFC.
     
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    No offense, but who? To my knowledge they are now all doing it.
     
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    So far it's just motorola. So if HTC starts, then Samsung is the last haven. I consider these the big three, and for now, I wouldn't consider any other manufacturer for an Android.

    Yeah it's a scary thought. There could come a day where all manufacturers encrypt bootloaders. And if Android continues its domination with average folk, the percentage of us who care about hardware freedom won't be sufficient enough to make a stand and get the policy changed. Case in point: Motorola sales haven't been negatively impacted by their encrypted bootloaders. The average (and majority) just don't care.

    I can see some of us sticking with an older model and "driving it till the wheels come off," to quote EarlyMon in another post.

    Back on topic:
    NFC is definitely the future, but I wouldn't mind owning a phone without it until it's proven to be mainstream and without security concerns.
     
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    True, but I'd rather have a phone that has it and has the ability to disable if you don't want to use it. Better yet, have some type of security so that it's only activated for a few seconds when you use a thumbprint (would be awesome if you had a scanner) or a passcode, like your pin for a debit card.

    That said, not a dealbreaker if it has it or not, I'd just prefer to have the option. Futureproof as possible is what I'm always looking for.
     
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    Yeah, it really depends on how quickly the technology becomes mainstream. I know my credit card has had the capability for 8 years now, but I've never had the chance to use it. So great, my card is future-proof, but it also expired twice during that time. These days, phones last on average 2-3 years. Can we expect NFC/RFID to become widespread before then? I think it will take at least that much time, so I'm thinking that it will become an important feature for me by the time the third Evo generation is out.

    I do agree the concept is neat. But if I were to cherrypick my must-have features, I'd want the ability for my phone to act as a universal remote for my home theater. Prolly not going to happen.
     
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    Maybe someone else can clear this up for me, but I though I read in an Engadget post that the NFC functionality will require a monthly subscription of $10? Anyone seen anything like that? While I would love & welcome NFC, if I had to pay a monthly fee to use it I probably wouldn't.
     
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    I haven't heard anything about the monthly fee, but i agree i wouldn't pay. I don't any annual fees for my credit card, why would i pay for NFC payments?
     
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    Maybe this is just saying that a 3rd party app that will use NFC for processing payments will charge for its services. ??
     
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    AFAIK they already started with the Thunderbolt.
     
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