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General Possibility of a Intel i Series Phone?-Your Thoughts!

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  1. Cyberdev

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    Has anyboby ever thought that google etc could or would use the i series cpu & Turn it mobile,but instead of windosd, its running the latest Android OS? What is your thought on this idea?
     

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    Intel already has their Atom x86 series which are intended for mobile, and are used in some Android tablets, and those often run Win as well. Core i3, i5, i7 are higher power(much hotter and power hungry) and are intended for full-sized laptops and desktops. So using them in a pocket sized device like a phone, I think very unlikely in their current form.
     
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    ^That. Currently it's impossible. They are too hot, with temps running up to 80-100C on gaming without proper cooling. That's gonna melt the other things inside the phone if it doesn't have proper cooling mechanisms. Plus they eat battery like crazy compared to mobile chipsets. The batteries on mobiles won't even likely last an hour.

    One day there will probably be CPUs for phone as powerful as i-series, but by them, the intel chips would be as far ahead as they are now to mobile chips.
     
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    The newest snapdragon series in the new gala y note 8...

    Thats much more processing power then you can imagine, but since its used in a non optimized mobile os based off linux. Well it doesnt do as good as it should.
     
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    For a mobile class processor, intended for pocket sized battery operated devices it might be. Something like an Intel i7 coupled with a good Nvidia GPU, delivers much more processing power than a mobile Snapdragon. Of course it consumed much more power and as well as requiring a substantial cooling system, either forced air or pumped liquid.

    Huh?!

    I thought Android was very optimized for mobile use actually. A Snapdragon processor is NOT going to be running a very bloated Windows 10 anyway, simply because Win 10 is built for x86 architecture. e.g. Intel Atom and Core i, and not ARM architecture, e.g. Qualcomm Snapdragon. And the only Windows that's built for ARM is either Windows Phone or RT, both now discontinued.

    Not going to fit in a smart-phone or small tablet...
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    All agreed but if they did they would have to change the frequencey to ensure they dont get too hot and cooling would be an issue so probsbly yeah it would be a bsd idea
     
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    FWIW, I bought one of these a few weeks ago...
    http://www.gpd.hk/pocket.asp
    A GPD Pocket...
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    Basically it's the smallest Windows 10 or Ubuntu(desktop OS) laptop that one can get. Uses Intel Atom quad-core x86 SoC at 1.6GHz. However it does have a cooling fan in it, and is somewhat heavier and and rather larger than a phone. Battery life is maybe 4-6 hours of use. My Oppo Android phone does last much longer. Although it's performance is good for the size, it's still no where near as capable as my Macbook Air Core i5 full-sized laptop

    BTW the GPD Pocket has to be ordered online from China.
     
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    Uh, in benchmarks alone the Snapdragon 835 is slower than a second generation i5, and we're at the 8th generation already.

    http://weborus.com/snapdragon-835-intel-processors/

    It's not the OS. The 835 doesn't hold a candle against recent i-series.

    And even then, the benchmarks don't tell the full story. ARM based chips like those from Apple and Qualcomm can only handle smaller and simpler instruction sets compared to x64 and x86 CPUs from intel. An example would be a command to do this equation: 2x2. An intel chip would only run one instruction to do that, but an ARM chip would need at least 3.
     
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    It wasnt a comparison of performance, just a comment that arm chips are capable of running windows no issue with the power they provide.

    People want more speed when they already have it but the os lacks the optimization
     
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    Android IS optimized. It not being optimized is a myth made by people who don't understand the inner workings and somehow wanted to make excuses for Android.



    And SD835 isn't running Windows without any problems. It's not yet seen on real world settings so we can't claim that.
     
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    Erm!!....FYI, ARM chips have always run mobile Windows versions, things like Win Phone, RT, CE. etc,
    and NOT regular desktop Windows which only runs on x86 PC hardware, such as desktop computers and laptops. And even for the most recent Windows Phone, Microsoft has now ended support for it, and no more development. Although I never actually saw a real Windows Phone device anyway.

    But of course there's lightweight mobile Windows versions(ARM) which is optimised for things like phones, tablets, PDAs, etc. just like Android is, and there's heavyweight desktop Windows(x86), intended to run on PCs and laptops. So if you do want more speed and CPU/GPU power, then use a computer, and not a phone.
     
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    Your not understanding me.. Im just saying the processing power is capable to be used as a moderate pc, but doesnt mean it can due to architecure
     

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