Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Phases, Sep 11, 2008.
What grinds my gears is "acceptable poor grammar" on web forums, blogs and chats and that you cannot call people on it!
For example, if someone does not use "there", "they're" or "their" appropriately and someone else calls them on it, why is the person who pointed it out a grammar nazi and the person who typed it incorrectly not a moron?
What we are basically saying is that if two people are arguing about a difference of opinion, they can go back and forth for minutes, hours or days. They can ridicule each others opinions and beliefs but the moment one of them calls the other one out for "speaking" incorrectly...whoa, look out!!
After all, if your going to get upset with me about pointing out you
Oh, God Nooooooooooooo. It seems that grammar police are hated and despised everywhere you go. Tread carefully, this is a battle you aint a gonna win.
Trust me on this. Pointing out a posters poor writing just leads to banning and arguments and thread closures. Those of us that know about the problem are smart enough to avoid mentioning it. Keep in mind that if you do, you must forever be vigilant and avoid errors in your own posts or you will be called out.
For example, in your post, you did not capitalize the ‘N’ in “nazi.” Smiley.
For all you know, a poster might be struggling with English because it is their second language. Some people simply have trouble writing and many of those people are educated. When Winston Churchill was once criticized for ending a sentence in a preposition, he responded, "That is the kind of thing up with which I will not put." Is he providing further examples of his “bad writing” or perhaps an example of his brilliance?
If you want to read bad writing, join a few professional writer groups. If you post a query about the proper and improper use of a semi-colon, you will get answers that do not agree with the “accepted” use. If you ask about sentence structure, (you post an example) you will get arguments aplenty and no resolution. Quite often, I will encounter third grade writing and hillbilly spelling in poorly composed posts from working professional writers that you would think should know better.
Even ending a sentence with a preposition is argued endlessly by those that say NO! And those that say it is ok. No resolution and agreement amongst the pros that are paid real dollars for their crappy writing.
This is not professional writing we are talking about, it is a telephone forum populated by folks from all walks of life looking for answers. They do not want to be told they misused a particular word. Writing is designed to communicate ideas and if those ideas get across, their “poor” writing skills should not be pointed out.
You can occasionally judge a poster by his or her post. What you cannot do is publicly judge a person by his or her post. I am a freelance technical writer and I will be the first to admit my failings as far as forum posts go. I try to write well in public but until AF pays me so much per word or meets my hourly quote, I will continue to use bad English as well as far too many (improper) semi-colons, passive sentences, and other things that send chills up and down the collective spines of English teachers.
I will continue to make those egregious errors you seem to dislike.
Sometimes you gotta get the message acrose with broken english...but what grinds my gear is that "PC" word...yup, I hate anything ,even phrases considered "politically correct"...why is it correct? Because the "trend" sez so? Aint true
PC is bad, bad, bad. I refuse to play. You simply cannot disuuss many issues without being called terrible things because you are not being PC. By the way, you misspelled "acrose." It should be across.
I am about as un-PC as one can get. I am like Dr. Gregory House crossed with Dr. Becker. Not a doctor, however.
Oh Bob, forgive me if I seem dense but I took part of your quoted comments as a humorous retort and then, partly based on previous comments of yours toward me, you seem to become a bit snarky.
In fairness, I could be completely wrong about this but I am wondering why you seem to take so personally, the comments I make in the rants and raves section. This is the second time I have made a comment in this section, directed at absolutely nobody in particular, that you seem to take issue with!
You also seem to have sort of missed my point...my "dislike" is at the irony that the collective we can ridicule each others opinions and beliefs ad nauseam and its ok but not each others spelling or grammar.
Again if I interpreted your comments incorrectly (and I hope I did) then I apologize!
Just saying that pointing out grammar issues on forums is dangerous and leads to problems. Not being snarky, just spent too much time on-line watching what happens.
I do not take it personally. I know many people cannot write. I know many people cannot spell or find the spell checker button. I know many people really do not care if their posts are perfect.
Just sayin', as the sayin goes. Smiley.
Which is why I put it in the RnR section!!
Dont forget some may be multitasking while typing a message. Others may need to get a msg out there with as few seconds as possible. I think we can identify when some poster is a total illiterate when it comes to spelling or posting, so , personally, I overlook such as long as they get their message across.
In any formal discussion where its critical for correct formation, etc...thats one thing but here, its a given... Purposely left out some commas and yada for the point.
At the end of the day..someones misspelled words in a post will not turn my world upsidedwn
I tend to agree with Bob here, just because something is posted in the "What really grinds your gear", or even the "Random thought" thread doesn't mean I won't disgree with it (and reply!).
Even if it's not aimed at me.
When you don't have the experience for jobs, but every job requires experience.
I'm having some terrible luck in the job market. Haha.
One word...... Line skippers........
I think I get what you mean, but would you like to clarify?
I feel your pain and I'm right there with you. Going on almost 16 months now of being told the same thing. I then I got people interviewing me who don't even read my resume and/or I realize they are incompetent and wonder how they keep their job...insane.
And just so everyone knows that reads this...I don't draw unemployment...I'm surviving with the help of family and my IRA.
It's very tough. I moved from Canada to the States because the job market there was too small. For new grads everyone seems to want only the top 10% of students. I've had a little more luck as far interviews go in the States.
I guess I'm lucky to an extent though. My parents have said they'll support me for now and I'm currently living with my aunt and uncle who are more than happy to have me here.
I'm giving it a couple more months though before I call it quits and head back to the Middle East where I grew up. I know people there so getting a job won't be too tough.
And on the whole spelling grammar thing, I tend to ignore it unless it is so bad that I *really* cannot under stand them. But I do agree with you that it's a bit strange that the one in favor of proper grammar is viewed more negatively. As others said though, English may not be their first language. And I feel awful for people with insufficient educations, so I'm always afraid that I'll point out 'proper' grammar to someone who didn't know, and feel awful.
Along with auto-tune, improper education grinds my gears, simply because it makes me sad. Illiteracy makes me feel very fortunate and sad at the same time.
what grinds my gears is how the some dictate to others how they should speak, say or do. Its one thing if one's upbringing and lack of wanting to do more with their lives leaves one in an 'illiterate' world. its another if one does not have the funds or means (grants, welfare or otherwise) to better themselves to fit into the mold dictated by others. Let people be people... if some want to fade away dumb and poor, let'em... who are we to judge them
thats my ran.t
What rants my gears is having been chosen as the turkey disposal every "after thxgvg".. Its me who gotta habe turkey sandwitches, turkey salad, turkey loaf, turkey potpie, turkey caserole, turkey pudding,
turkey protein shakes, turkeey cake, turkey cookies,...heck evn turkey bones (since we dont have a pooch)...whew! "A N D " by the time I is done "disposing" this yers turkey....its time for the next yers..and I aimt done with t-2010 yet.
..and yet some wanna correct my grammers...youd type cross-eyed too if youre "ful uf it" like I is
Sorry about too much turkey. We just visited the Colonel and can add the leftover chicken to any soup. Not worth bothering with a turkey for 2 people.
Ya know what grinds my geas? The fact that I wasn't able to buy anything this year for black friday. Nooooo moneys. I would of made a killing this year with all the great prices n' sales..... Damn that's what grinds my geas
There wasn't anything I really wanted. My coffeemaker broke, so had to replace that, and there was a sale on some storage furniture.
I don't want a large TV - I just bought a 15" and 19". I also have a battery run 7".
I can do better most of the time on Amazon and waiting until the new products come out. The old stuff gets discounted better then.
I make most of my gifts. My daughter gets upset if she doesn't get something made just for her.
I think making your gifts is great. What, if you don't mind me asking, are you making her (or made her in the past [not to spoil it ])?
What grinds my gears is how some kids at my high school have shiny new Mercedes, BMWs, Lexuss, etc., and they don't appreciate them. ARG!!
I also hate it when teachers give twenty question pop quizzes like eight minutes before the bell when each question requires some thought. .___.