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  1. Dariusx

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    I have had my EVO for about 8 months. I am interested in rooting but I need to find some info before doing this. These are the three things I want from the phone that I don't get now. I am in the process of reading about rooting but this is a tedious process. I wold appreciate someone to set me in the right direction so I can research effectively. 1 - Extend battery life. How is the achieved under clocking? Right now I only get about 2 hours of web use. How much more can I reasonably expect when I root? Which are the preferred ROM's/Kernals for this? 2-I have read that I can get better audio (DSP effects) when rooted is this correct? 3-I had also read that I can get better audio using the video cam. Is this true? My final concern. I have Windows Vista 32 bit on my PC. If I root with this and later update to Windows 7 64 bit how will this affect the phone? Thanks in advance
     

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    Some of your questions I can't answer. But here are ones I can... first the rooting for dummies is the beast way to go if u are unsure of what you are doing and even if did. It only seems tedious it is very simple.

    First thing is to get the hboot drivers. The wiki how it directs u to will explain it in a very simplistic way. Rooting after that is one click away.. After you do this process and you plan taking. Advantage of underclocking you should find a kernel that works well with your current rom there is a whole topic in it self ... just start with rooting and if you want to go further just post back. There is lots and lots of flashaholics here to help
     
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    1. for me finding better battery really has to do with finding the right rom and kernel combination. to read up on kernels you can go to ref#3. it has a little bit about some of the terminology behind kernels. just keep in mind that not all kernels will react the same way. in other words, a kernel that works for me may not work for you very well. so you need to find the right kernel that will be benefit you the most.

    underclocking and such can be done by using setcpu. here is a guide for it.http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/210253-setcpu-guide.html

    2. ok so just keep in mind that the more you use your phone the more the battery will drain regardless. but during easter weekend with my setup in my sig, i was able to get 35hrs! now granted part of that was while i was sleeping and i had turned off 3g and wifi. i have found that 3g is a hog. but i did some emails, did texted people through out the day, and was on the web for a few minutes. pretty lite stuff.

    as far as roms and kernels go. the most popular ones can be found in ref#2 of my sig. i used to be a sense guy, but i really like my setup now and aosp. anything kings or mikfroyo puts out are pretty much going to be rock solid.

    3. not sure on the audio on the camcorder. never really use it so sorry i can't comment on that.

    4. i don't think that changing from vista to windows 7 will really do much for your evo. you should be good to go. just save all your files before upgrading and you should be ok.

    also i would recommend that you read the http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/194918-rooting-dummies.html.
    any other questions ask away.
     
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    1: dead on ocn 2: there are some root only apks that have good dsp controls 3: im not sure either, but ive read about how you can tweak the mic settings(pretty nerd-a-riffic stuff tho) 4: i rooted with a 32 bit vista, and a few mos ago i got a 64 bit linux system that it interfaces with just fine. i know its not W7, but its 64 bit and thats the bigger part involved
     
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    so dak
    oh, and you can say buh bye to all the effen bloatware like the nascar app, the amazon mp3, nfl etc etc
     
  6. Dariusx

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    Thanks fellas for the tips. I was talking to a friend and he was telling me about temporary root. DO y'all think that is a good way to go before fully committing?
     
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    nope. just go all in. temporary root will not let you flash roms or anything. it will allow you to use certain apps but that is about it. the temp. root only turns s-on to s-off which is your security on your phone. what you really need is to get your nand unlocked that way you can actually make changes to your phone like flashing custom roms. using unrevoked will do both. so you might as well fully root. it is really simple to do and this forum is the best to get help from.
     
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    I've never temp rooted but the issue is it doesn't unlock nand. It doesn't turn s off. It just roots your current rom allowing you to run root apps. I don't think you even get a custom recovery seeing as s is still on.

    Unrevoked 3 is a 3 part process. Part one being unlocking nand, turning s off, part two now that s is off it flashes a custom recovery (clockwork), the third part is rooting your current rom. Unrevoked forever if you see anyone ask is just turning s off without the other two parts.

    I'm not sure but I think a reboot undoes temp root...?
     
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    yeah ok for some reason i thought it turn s-off but does not unlock nand. good to know. and you are right rebooting does brings the phone back to stock. i guess that is one reason that it can't be turning s-off. i do not know what came over me.:eek: maybe it is the heat right now. my appartment is hot as hell.
     
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    Lol yeah I just bitched to my gf about how damn hot it is in here
     
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    There are just so many different terms for different things, and it gets even more complicated when we use the same term for different things. Matt is on the right track, though. S-OFF = Nand unlocked. This doesn't mean you have a rooted ROM or can run root only apps. It is, however, "permanent" in the sense that you kind of have to purposefully remove it. If you rooted with unrevoked, you have to unroot with the S-ON tool. There is no other way to remove it, technically. If you rooted via the eng bootloader, you can lose S-OFF by upgrading hboot. This is why so many people lost root back before unrevoked was popular. In any case, if you have S-OFF, you gain the ability to flash unsigned images to all internal partitions, including flashing different radios to whatever versions you want. It also gives you the ability to make permanent "one-off" changes to "locked" partitions. I say locked in the sense that only signed images from HTC can normally change things there. With S-OFF, this is really all you gain. It's big, though, because it means the ability to flash ROMs. In my opinion, it's a misnomer to call this root. It's commonly referred to as full root, but it's really just unlocked nand. It has nothing to do with root level permissions. If you get S-OFF, and don't have a rooted ROM, you still won't be able to make changes to /system, for example. You need root level permissions to make changes there, as files are owned by root, plus you have to mount such partitions in rw mode, which only the root user can do. It would however, allow you to make changes outside of the Android OS. That's where recovery comes into play. S-OFF and recovery go hand in hand. One thing *allows* you to make changes (S-OFF), while the other actually *makes* the changes (recovery).

    Those two things aside, what I would consider root in the true sense of the word is having the ability to run things as the root user and actually become the root user. This is more or less accurate to what you're referring to in a Linux/Unix system. All current temp root solutions are called temp root because they cannot keep the ROM rooted after a reboot. Why? because you can't make permanent changes to /system without it. You might be asking yourself, though, if S-OFF just unlocks nand, what does it have to do with root level permissions in a ROM? Well, try this - root with unrevoked, then flash the S-ON tool. Since it made all the changes it need while you had S-OFF to root the ROM, you should keep root permissions in the ROM even though you now have S-ON. Why? Because you had S-OFF at one point. Just remember this - there are three things to what we call "full root" - S-OFF, a rooted ROM, and a custom recovery. They are more or less independent, but you need S-OFF to get the rest even though you can get rid of S-OFF later, and keep the rest. You can even have a custom recovery with S-ON. It's sort of pointless, but you can certainly do it.
     
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    someone should go thru all of akazabams posts, compile them, and name that compilation "The EVO Bible of Rooting"
     
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    I have that, its called user statistics, thanked posts lol
     
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    LMOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well he is the holy father of this forum........and let us pray:D
     
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    It would probably be longer then the real Bible. He rights books not posts .......lol
     
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    Lol, you guys crack me up.
     
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    See I told you yesterday king of nerds...they made the jump to nerd jesus on their own...
     
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    Well on that note, just remember - the geek shall inherit the earth.
     
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    Lol well played sir
     
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    old thread i know, but omg that was hysterical!!
     
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