I cannot divulge my sources, on this but trust me....it comes from very high up in t-mobile. I verified this from 2 different sources and i know it to be true, but as with anything on a product of this magnatude i'm sure there wil be people who won't believe. Tmobile will make their T-Mobile Dream phone (G1 is an internal code) available for presale on September 23, of this year. A deposit will be required at the time you order, and you be able to have the phone by October 1st - no later. There will be a 2nd phone made. It will not be made by HTC, rather Sony. It will be a less expensive model, but it will also be all touch screen. Alsom the video released today on youtube is the finished product that will be shipped. There is a button on the phone that will automatically open youtube. Just thought you'd like to know.