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  1. gnugu

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    Don't know.

    Don't know, but all there is in the ROM that is "Rogers" is desktop wallpapers and a couple of annoying apps that are not even apps but rather wrapped web links. Once you root you can delete them.

    Theoretically. Practically you have to root to get on the phone a recovery image that lets you install new ROM. Rogers phone has recovery image that doesn't let you do it. Once you install the one that does let you do it, when you boot to Rogers ROM afterwords, Rogers ROM will overwrite your recovery image with their stinky one. You are at square one.
     

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    Well is very disappointing situation we are in.Rooting a phone is major hassle and pain and also potential to brick.My friend tried to root his and the steps where way above his head and overwhelming and rogers branded HTC dream is not a fool proof root.Yes many people have done it and i envy them.Still this is only for people that feel comfortable with this hack and is not a viable solution for most owners.I believe that this issue is bigger just then Rogers but they are the ones to start with.
     
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    Funny, you should say this because I am planning to get this sales pitch recorded.

    Because this was the SAME sales pitch that sold me on the Android back in June 2009.

    Let's get this recorded! Because, in a response to an email I sent to Rogers, they claimed that I was lying (in a polite way) that no sales person would or should have told me that an OS update was planned and that there policy was to update the Android phones at a similar frequency as the iPhone updates.

    I believe that their sales people are specifically instructed to lie about this.... so I am going to get this recorded!

    Please do so as well and then we should share these sales pitches with everyone!

    Be careful how you do so... however, do tip them off that you are trying to catch them in a lie.

    Steps:
    1. Go in pretending to know only just little bit about the Android. Enough to make Android to iPhone comparisons..
    2. Innocently ask questions... that you heard you can buy apps just like the iPhone...
    3. Are OS updates available just like the iPhone?
    4. Basically convince them that you want an iPhone alternative.
    5. Use your imagination but be sure to capture some sound bite lies.
     
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    Nope, and don't try this at home!
     
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    getting more then 1 or 2 sales people caught in this lie is key or they will just say it was salesment mistakes and employee was corrected like earlier comments....lol....
     
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    This is too early to say. Cyan is porting quite a bit of Eclaire code to his ROM.
     
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    I mean for now.
     
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    Not likely. First I would want to know more about this lawyer. If we can find a well respected lawyer who will give us an HONEST assessment of our chances of winning, I think the retainer costs would be rather low between enough disgruntle owners. At $2000, this might cost us $20 each (assuming 100 customers - which isn't near enough complaints for a class action).


    What do I want out of this?

    - The ability to cancel my contracts (2) without penalty. In general, I am sick of Android for more than just the serious failings of Rogers. Although, to be honest, I have no idea how improved the Android experience would be with OS 1.6. Overall, I just feel seriously mislead by Rogers.
     
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    This is mildly illegal.
    I would rather try to get it in writing. Prepare your own letter and have a store mgr to sign it.
     
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    According to HTC, they claimed that Rogers wanted it. I mean it is very clearly that HTC are not doing the same thing to T-mobile , Verizon, etc..
     
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    How so?
     
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    Call Rogers or your Bank. What is the first thing after the choice of language they tell you?

    Ask your lawyer about it.

    Plus, they will tell you that you have recorded it with your friend...
     
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    I think the clerk would need to sign a waiver stating that they knew they were being recorded, otherwise it could be considered a violation of their rights....you know how lawyers are, they would do anything to find fault in something.
     
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    That the phone call may be monitored for quality purposes? Is that what you are referring to?


    Only one party needs to be aware of the recording.

    http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/cc/cc.183.1.html
    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=320423
    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-5.html#codese:183_1
     
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    Yes!
     
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    Sorry, I'm missing something. What does the fact that they record the call have to do with my original question? How is me recording my call with a sales rep "mildly illegal"?
     
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    Does that 144 take in to account the Anonymous ones that don't include any comments? We can't really count those ones, because no one else will.
     
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    Straight from the horses mouth..."In Canada it is technically illegal to record a private conversation
    with another person, unless, of course, the other person consents."
     
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    Here's how i see this. HTC could care less about Canadians and Rogers for bringing in Android is a failure. I can guarantee you that I will never ever going to buy a HTC product.
     
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    I thought that both parties needed to be aware of the recording.

    You proved me wrong!
     
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    Forget waivers. CBC does this all the time with their "Hidden camera" reports. Get it on _film_ in a store with a hidden camera. There can be no breech of privacy if there is no _expectation_ of privacy, like when you are in a store full of people.
     
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    What horse is that? Stop listening to horses :p

    Only one person needs to be aware of the recording.
     

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