Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by OutofDate1980, Apr 1, 2012.
Let the games begin.
I think Obama wins. My hope is that congress gets more conservative/liberatarian and nothing happens for 4 years.
I hope we get a congress that is not in somebodies pocket.
Gridlock by our leaders is one of the reasons the S&P downgraded our rating. I guess you're hoping for the U.S. to go bankrupt?
You'd have to fire all of congress. Our system is set up to allow money into the process and until that stops, we're always going to have politicians that are going to be influenced by money.
Look at that joke of a pledge being passed around by Grover Norquist. If someone signs the pledge to never vote to raise taxes, and then they vote raise taxes, the people fronting the money for this cause (fronting the money secretly I might add, what exactly do they have to hide?!?!) will funnel money into someone to unseat the politician at the next election.
I personally would like to see transparent campaign finance reform. I want to know which candidate has what corporation backing them.
What I found interesting is when the BP oil spill hit. The right wing was clamoring that BP was a big contributor to Obama's campaign. What they failed to mention is that BP also donated a large amount of money to McCain (more money to Obama since they probably figured Obama would win). I personally think that practice is indicative of how corporations think. They place bets on both sides (interestingly enough, like the housing fiasco) so that they will have a seat at the table regardless of who wins.
I see Obama winning in November, not so much based on his track record (I personally don't think it's a great record although 2 dictators are gone, GM and Chrysler are still in business), but because the typical American can't identify with Romney's stories about how his father closed a factory, how he's building an elevator for his cars, or his off-key singing.
So the $16 trillion debt with no way to repay it has nothing to do with the downgrade? If there were gridlock in DC, maybe we wouldn't have such an astounding debt.
Tell me, what do you think these clowns can actually accomplish to get us out of this mess considering they are the ones who orchestrated it?
As far as the US going bankrupt, too late, we're there.
Surprisingly and shocklingly enough, the 100% debt to GDP ratio actually had nothing at all to do with the downgrade. Kinda shows how ridiculous the system is. Not that they werent spot on for downgrading based on the prevailing evidence of Republican inwillingness to mve on the Budget.
Anyway, I'm far more interested in Sarkozy vs Hollande right now.
Well if I remember correctly, one side offered up some cuts, and letting some tax breaks expire that were already supposed to expire, but one party and ONE PARTY ALONE wanted NO COMPROMISE.
Most economists claimed that making some cuts, and letting some tax breaks expire was the most sensible idea. You tighten the belt AND you seek out revenues to pay down debt.
Of course, the GOP's talking head (yes Limbaugh even though the GOP acts as if he's not the leader of their party) has already stated that he wanted Obama to fail via America's failure. Not exactly a patriotic thing to say, and even less patriotic to act on that sentiment, don't you think?
Bit surprised there aren't any Ron Paul fanboys here. There's a rather rabid one on another forum. He is convinced that Paul is the only candidate who can possibly beat Obama and that Paul will be a force at the convention because he's apparently going around behind the scenes and stealing delegates from other candidates. I asked him why Republican voters would support a guy that they've gone to the polls and clearly shown they are not interested in, but he says this is irrelevant. Ugh. Paul fanboys are the worst.
In any case, I think Obama wins and it's not even that close. Won't be a landslide, but there will be no doubt who's going to win even before the polls open.
I never thought Bush would get elected to his 2nd term, and we all know how that turned out. I think a lot of people may figure Obama will beat whatever GOP candidate is out there and thus not take the time to vote. Granted, I think the GOP candidates have done Obama's work for him once the primaries roll around. All you have to do is play back every candidate's negative ads against Romney, and then there are the GOP candidates that "freudianly" support Obama...
Senator John McCain Endorses President Barack Obama - YouTube
I don't know. The Hedge Fund crowd is backing Romney with big money. I guess to preserve their 15% tax rate, which I don't think they deserve, they are investing other peoples money, i.e., no risk to HF manager.
Um, the run of the mill stockbroker does the same thing.
let's do it!
I wouldn't check 'satisfied' next to Obama's performance so far, but I'm pretty much scared of the two GOP front runners. Like, run* away to the moon scared.
*fly on a space ship, probably Russian.... because, well, you know
Firing the politicians will just replace one bad one with another.
The basic problem is the system of how politicians secure funding for elections.
The politicians view is by necessity shaped by those providing the funds, the fewer the sources of funding, the narrower the view.
Part of the problem is that no matter how much people claim they hate Congress, they go out and re-elect them. I've seen years where people give Congress an approval rating of like 30%. Then they go out and re-elect like 80% of them. One of two things is going on. Either voters are stupidly voting for people they hate (entirely possible) or the other parties can't run anyone who's better than the incumbent (also possible.) Ugh.
^ Yeah, 80% of people would prefer an approval rating of 30% than 20%
But seriously, the system is seriously flawed when approval ratings fall below 50%
What happens is local people like their congressman but hate everyone else's congressman. Take that bonehead congressman that apologized to BP when the President lashed out at them for the Gulf oil spill, most of the country was like "WTF is that guy apologizing for? Is he really kissing up to the oil industry after that oil spill?" He's one of the local politicians here. For some reason the people in his district STILL love him and he'll probably be re-elected. People will also re-elect the politicians that bring pork spending to their district.
I am a Paul supporter, but I believe he has no chance now. Anyone who believes otherwise must be crazy.
As for Romney and Obama, I don't like either, but I plan on voting for Romney if it comes down to these two. (which it most likely will.)
Whelp, I'm a very hardcore liberal, so if I did vote, it would be for Obama. Presidential voting in DC is pretty pointless though (Obama got ~97% in 08). Had the Republicans put someone out there who was decent, at least it'd be an interesting race. As the cast is now, hilarious.
The facts vs. Mitt Romney - The Washington Post
Yeah. I tend to agree with you. It's kind of like people complaining about how everyone else's kids are little hellions while their own child is out robbing some old lady of her grocery money.
I like Paul as well, but I think he ought to drop out at this point. I know he won't though which is sad. Last time he was the only candidate who refused to turn his delegates over to McCain and went and held his own convention. I suspect he'll do the same thing this year. He won't be a force at all on the convention floor. Romney will gather enough delegates to ensure the nomination and that'll be it.
I don't care for Romney or Obama and will likely vote for neither. That is what I typically do.
Santorum has officially dropped out. This all but seals the deal on Romney's nomination and makes Paul and Gingrich a complete and total non-factor. Previously their only hope of being a factor was to work a deal out to give their delegates to Santorum and thus deny Romney the nomination or work out a deal to give their delegates to Romney thus ensuring his nomination. Now it doesn't matter as they don't have enough delegates to make a difference.
I'd bet that Ron Paul runs as independent or something. And I will say that I'm not too sad to see Santorum go.... but, I do think that it'll be Romney v. Obama for the main event.
Last time around, the GOP refused to give Paul a speaking spot at the convention (he's not very popular at all with his party) so he took his delegates and had a convention of his own across town. His delegates were basically the only delegates who didn't vote for McCain. I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same thing this year. I like Paul as well, but doing stuff like that makes him look small and petty. He lost. Do the classy thing. Is that unreasonable?
I'm hoping that he drops out and endorses Gary Johnson. They have almost the exact same platform.
Really? Here's the S&P report where they detail the downgrade:
In other words, the US has a lot of debt and it only shows signs of increasing.
So, if the slope of the debt increase is higher than they are currently projecting, they'll downgrade us more.
Yes, the political bickering was a cause as well, but it was not the only cause.
Am I the only one completely and totally disillusioned by the system? It's so unbelievably broken and corrupt.