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General Samsung needs to give us a BIGGER Standard mAh Battery for the Nexus!

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by sean76, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. sean76

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    Yup...I think Samsung needs to get to work ASAP!!!

    With the wraps fresh off the Razr Maxx this week from CES...I feel that its time for manufacturers to start really focusing on battery life...And with all the promises on how ICS will be more power efficient, well let's just say I'm not really sold on only getting 8 hrs or so with my ICS enabled Galaxy Nexus.

    I think its possible to get us a bigger battery power wise, but keep it the same size as the standard one that comes with the Galaxy Nexus...

    Who agrees?
     

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    Im assuming you're going to invent a new type of battery then? One where you can make the mah increase without increasing the size? Even the Maxx is thicker than it's lower mah counterpart. Currently, thats how battery technology works. They DO sell a slightly bigger and thicker batt already too, if you need more juice...
     
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    I bought the backup battery that comes with the charging dock. It works perfect. I can charge my extra battery and use my phone without regard, then swap the two batteries and I am set. If I am going away for the day, I pop the extra charged battery in my pocket and have two batteries for the day. I like it because it adds no bulk to the phone. I think it was only 29.99 at Verizon.

    It actually makes never worry about having the phone connected because I know my backup is ready to go when needed.
     
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    It's not.

    It doesn't matter who agrees. It doesn't matter what you want, or what you think is possible. This isn't an opinion, or something that enough people nodding their heads is going to change. The laws of physics do not care what you want out of your battery.

    The current generation of lithium batteries are as small for a given capacity as they are going to get. We need a new technology for the battery to get a significant boost in capacity or a significant reduction in size.

    Motorola increased the thickness of the phone by 25% and increased the weight significantly to give you that extra battery life. I agree that it was a worthwhile sacrifice, and would probably give up some thickness on the Nexus to gain a giant battery, but saying you want a battery with higher capacity for the same size is just silly.
     
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    silly? Lol!!!

    At the current state, the Nexus is just about the same thickness as the Maxx my friend...I held it in my hand yesterday!

    What my thread really calls for is for Samsung and some other providers to maybe stop pumping out phones and really get to work on trying to develop smaller/thinner batteries to go along with these power hogs!

    What are you and the other two posters battery developers that wrote in stone this would never be possible? Sorry pal I'm on the fence of thinking anything with hard work is possible.

    Yes the Maxx is slightly thicker...slightly is the word! And it takes the battery all the way up to 3,300 mAh!!! Would you and have thought this would be possible a few weeks ago? Would you have blasted someone a few weeks ago if they came on here and said the Razrs battery can be doubled by just slightly increasing the thickness of the phone?

    My thread is not calling for a 5000 mAh battery that is the same size as the current one, its calling for a bump that would increase the juice, but keep the battery the same size... And its poosible I believe!

    The problem with some members on here has become to just simply jump on the negative band wagon and just simply sit back and blast Threads left and right!
     
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    Yeah, people get touchy online.

    While I do understand the physical limitations of lithium ion batteries, I also agree with Sean. Is there a better technology than lithium ion on the horizon?
     
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    If it was possible for companies to double the battery life without increasing the size, then it would be in every phone. It would be the easiest design decision ever.

    If Samsung really wanted to double the battery life, they would have to find a way to double the size of the battery while keeping an elegant design. It is simple physics, and there is no way around it.

    The RAZR MAXX works because the RAZR already has such a thin profile which required design compromises like no removable batteries. With the thin profile, they could find a way to cram a battery twice the size and still be relatively thin. It is a good move by Motorola, but it wasn't easy to do.
     
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    What you said at the bottom of your post is the point.

    IT WASN'T EASY TO DO!!!

    Plain and simple....it wasn't easy, but Moto pulled it off!

    And to clarify.... I'm saying to double the size of the Nexus stock battery mAh rating and still keep it the same size. I'm saying a good bump.....to be honest I would be happy if the Extended battery that VZW is selling was the same size as the stock battery....

    I believe its possible to do...
     
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    Again, what you believe isn't relevant.

    Without new battery technology, there are physical constraints. Repeating over and over that you think it's possible isn't going to make it so.

    Motorola did not do what you are asking for. You are asking for the same size battery at a higher capacity. Motorola put a BIGGER BATTERY into the phone to get the higher capacity. This is not a shock. I am not surprised at this, nor did I think it wasn't possible. I am fully aware that if you make a phone thicker/bigger, and dedicate all of that additional space to battery, you could shoehorn a big battery in there.

    What you are asking for, and what Motorola did, are two completely different things.
     
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    8 hrs,,, wow,,, I use mine at work all day,, and will be at around 50-40 % left...

    then as I typed this i realized you are in the US,, and in caps i put LTE...

    i had the sg2 LTE...

    LTE is a issue,,,,

    but I do agree,, more battery juice is needed,, im sure technology must be being worked on,,,
     
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    Incidentally, I'm not trying to be mean with my comments - I hope it's not being taken that way. But it's a little silly to just say over and over "I think this is possible" without ANY basis for what you think.

    I mean, I could go into a car forum and say, "I want to be able to put fuel in my tank that will give me a 25% increase in mileage without doing anything to my car. I believe it's possible." I have no basis for believing that it's possible. If it were possible, people would already be doing it. So why should I make outlandish claims?

    If you were an expert on lithium cells and you came in saying, "my research shows that..." - by all means, you are entitled to say it's possible. Just wanting a smaller battery, though, doesn't mean it can be done with the current battery designs.
     
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    Motorola pulled it off by creating a bigger phone for the battery to fit in. It is much easier than inventing a new type of battery.

    There is millions spent each year on R&D on lithium batteries, because there is lots of money in creating batteries that will last longer from the same size. If it was so easy, it would have been done by now. It is incredibly hard and if they find a solution, it will take years before it is ready for consumer electronics.
     
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    I actually mentioned something similar to one of the engineer's at a local battery company (my company uses a fair amount of industrial batteries) and he basically said that when this happens the company/individual who creates it will be worth billions instantly because of the needed demand.

    There are tons of R&D being emphasised in this currently and I can assure you that Samsung has vested interest in the companies involved.

    From what I understand like others posted is that there is a need for a new technology b/c what you are asking is not looking the least bit feasable.

    The phone technology is moving way to rapid for the battery companies to keep up with the power needed.
     
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    It helps if you think of lithium ion batteries in terms of a gas tank. Current tech has shrunk them down as small as they can possibly be without inventing a new type of battery entirely. So, given that, there's also a finite amount of energy that can be stored inside them at a given size and thickness. To use the gas tank analogy, no matter how much you try, you'll only be able to fit a certain amount of gas inside of a tank at a certain size. A 5 gallon tank will fit 5 gallons of gas. Always. Trying to cram more in won't work because the laws of physics prohibit you from cramming six gallons into a 5 gallon space. If you want to fit more gas in the thing, you're going to need a bigger tank. The same is true for batteries. The ONLY way to increase the mAh rating on a battery is to increase it's size. You can make like Moto did with the Razr Maxx and work some voodoo with form factor to accommodate the batteries increased size, but the bottom line is that more mAh means an increase in size. The Maxx isn't a "better battery" capable of higher mAh rating at the same or similar size, Moto just hid the size by changing the phone's physical construction. (Again, more gas needs a bigger tank. They hid the tank better. But it's still just as big as any other lithium ion at that mAh rating.) It's not a matter of the manufacturing company skimping on their battery budget and selecting a battery that's suboptimized, it's a matter of simple physics.

    Does that make it any clearer?
     
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    You do realize that its mostly the carrier that decides what is included with the device. They give you the smaller battery to keep the device thin and attractive to new buyers, but also gives you incentive to purchase the larger battery thus spending more money.

    Welcome to capitalism.
     
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    I dont think they have to increase the nexus size its close if not same size as maxx is. just Verizon doesn't wanna give us a 3300 mah battery.
     
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    I don't want to go into a major food fight here ....But I got to believe that Samsung as well as every other manufacturer is hard at work this very minute trying to figure out how moto did what it did..

    Its very easy to sit here and say duhh, they just made the phone bigger.. lol, its like a smidget thicker...pretty amazing feat if u ask me!

    However...I'm realistic, can they make a 3300mAh battery the size of the Nexus stock battery? Lmaooooo....no way! And like someone said, when and if someone ever does, they'll be worth Zillions...

    But I do think with technology and where we're at now, a 2200mAh battery the size of ours is probably possible, or right at the brink of being possible...

    Look for a lot of phones in the next year to have sealed in batteries...
     
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    They also don't have 4g nor an hd screen. That is what gives that bigger battery 21 hrs. I'll take 4g and a non-crappy screen for shorter battery life any day. Want great battery life? Get a tablet, theres your trade-off, huge batteries, lasts for days.

    Oh, wait, they just made the phone bigger? Who'd a thunk it? Now people will be bitching about the size of the thing - won't fit in their pocket.
     
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    It really is great having the freedom to make that choice.
     
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    While they're at it I want a machine that instantly freezes food, like a reverse microwave.
     
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    Lol...seriously! See what a debate can bring out...hahaha
     
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    Moto didn't invent new battery technology or material. They simply increased battery size to up the capacity to 3300mAh. There is no way around it.

    Keep in mind the Razr has housing design for fixed battery to make it thinner than other phones with the same size battery. It's only 7.1mm thick, so it had to room to stuff 2mm thicker battery in there to make Maxx. Samsung can put 3000mAh battery into Nexus if no one cares about bulky, ugly looking form factor with extra thickness, hump.
     
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    I don't know how to explain this any clearer to you. That IS what they did. They moved internal components around and it's thicker because the BATTERY is thicker. They may have come up with a novel way to wrap their components around the bigger battery, but that's all that they can do. There is no Moto battery technology and Sammy battery technology. There's the same technology that both companies use. Moto's high density 3300 mAh batteries will be the same size as a 3300 mAh battery from Samsung. No thinner, and no thicker. That's the way that the technology works.

    NO. To increase mAh you HAVE to increase the batteries size. That's the ONLY way. You can't cram "more juice" into the same size. It simply DOESN'T WORK.

    This is where I'm starting to think you're just trolling at this point. It's been explained to you several times, by several different people, that no amount of wishing or hoping or smooshing it smaller will work. A gas tank can only hold the amount of gas that it was designed to hold. Same rule applies to current battery tech. There *might* be something on the horizon that is better or smaller and capable of holding a larger charge, but because of the huge demand for such a product, if it DOES exist the makers are keeping mum about it until it's ready for prime time.

    The ONLY way you're going to get what you want is if someone invents an entirely NEW battery technology, completely different from what we have right now. There are plenty of people trying, and so far, nobody has been able to do it.
     
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    Trolling? Are you EFFFFFFFING KIDDING ME??? What are you a battery developer? Are you out of your mind saying I'm trolling...Seriously go about your day..Your the only one repeating yourself Several times...Nobody else.

    My last posting said alot of companies will be going the sealed battery direction very soon to compete with what moto just pulled off!

    Its common sense what Moto did here buddy...But like I said, a Negative big mouth like yourself would have blasted somone coming on here 1 week ago saying that moto doubled the battery size of the Razr by just slightly increasing the thickness of the phone a tiny bit. Seriously you need to go away buddy...Trolling is something that you simply dont know the meaning of...If you have nothing good to add...Take your business elsewhere.

    There are HTC, Moto, even Samsung Batteries floating around that are the same size as Samsungs 1850mAh Nexus battery, that are only say 1500mAh...Seriously I dont feel the need to defend or go any further with you on the subject...Your tone is one of a poster that seems to know it all.
     
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