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  1. B2L

    B2L Android Expert
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  2. cds0699

    cds0699 Android Expert

    Doesn't officially mean it won't happen, just a pretty big step against the merge.
     
  3. NowVoyager

    NowVoyager Android Enthusiast

    My prayers are being answered!!! Now, maybe the rumors we're hearing about GOOGLE possibly buying Tmo will materialize. This is gr8 news!!!
     
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  4. Joe Dirt

    Joe Dirt Android Enthusiast

    I hope the at&t deal Fails. I've been with T-mobile for 8 years wasn't happy about the planned merger.
     
  5. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    I tiny bit of faith in government was restored in me this morning when I heard this.

    Certainly there is more to do to really block it, but I'd be willing to be the Chair of the FCC wouldn't want another pie in the face by letting something like this through right after the Comcast debacle.

    I'd also be willing to bet the FTC is sure to consider the opinions of the Justice Dept. with great gravity as well.

    hooray!
     
  6. NightAngel79

    NightAngel79 Bounty Hunter
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    Would rather they be separate also... And plus99999999 to what Ms Voyager said:)
     
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  7. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    Department of Justice

    Office of Public Affairs

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Wednesday, August 31, 2011



    Justice Department Files Antitrust Lawsuit to Block AT&T’s Acquisition of T-Mobile

    Transaction Would Reduce Competition in Mobile Wireless Telecommunications Services, Resulting in Higher Prices, Poorer Quality Services, Fewer Choices and Fewer Innovative Products for Millions of American Consumers

    WASHINGTON – The Department of Justice today filed a civil antitrust lawsuit to block AT&T Inc.’s proposed acquisition of T-Mobile USA Inc. The department said that the proposed $39 billion transaction would substantially lessen competition for mobile wireless telecommunications services across the United States, resulting in higher prices, poorer quality services, fewer choices and fewer innovative products for the millions of American consumers who rely on mobile wireless services in their everyday lives.

    The department’s lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, seeks to prevent AT&T from acquiring T-Mobile from Deutsche Telekom AG.
    “The combination of AT&T and T-Mobile would result in tens of millions of consumers all across the United States facing higher prices, fewer choices and lower quality products for mobile wireless services,” said Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole. “Consumers across the country, including those in rural areas and those with lower incomes, benefit from competition among the nation’s wireless carriers, particularly the four remaining national carriers. This lawsuit seeks to ensure that everyone can continue to receive the benefits of that competition.”

    “T-Mobile has been an important source of competition among the national carriers, including through innovation and quality enhancements such as the roll-out of the first nationwide high-speed data network,” said Sharis A. Pozen, Acting Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Department of Justice’s Antitrust Division. “Unless this merger is blocked, competition and innovation will be reduced, and consumers will suffer.”

    Mobile wireless telecommunications services play a critical role in the way Americans live and work, with more than 300 million feature phones, smart phones, data cards, tablets and other mobile wireless devices in service today. Four nationwide providers of these services – AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon – account for more than 90 percent of mobile wireless connections. The proposed acquisition would combine two of those four, eliminating from the market T-Mobile, a firm that historically has been a value provider, offering particularly aggressive pricing.

    According to the complaint, AT&T and T-Mobile compete head to head nationwide, including in 97 of the nation’s largest 100 cellular marketing areas. They also compete nationwide to attract business and government customers. AT&T’s acquisition of T-Mobile would eliminate a company that has been a disruptive force through low pricing and innovation by competing aggressively in the mobile wireless telecommunications services marketplace.


    The complaint cites a T-Mobile document in which T-Mobile explains that it has been responsible for a number of significant “firsts” in the U.S. mobile wireless industry, including the first handset using the Android operating system, Blackberry wireless email, the Sidekick, national Wi-Fi “hotspot” access, and a variety of unlimited service plans. T-Mobile was also the first company to roll out a nationwide high-speed data network based on advanced HSPA+ (High-Speed Packet Access) technology. The complaint states that by January 2011, an AT&T employee was observing that “[T-Mobile] was first to have HSPA+ devices in their portfolio…we added them in reaction to potential loss of speed claims.”


    The complaint details other ways that AT&T felt competitive pressure from T-Mobile. The complaint quotes T-Mobile documents describing the company’s important role in the market:



    • T-Mobile sees itself as “the No. 1 value challenger of the established big guys in the market and as well positioned in a consolidated 4-player national market”; and
    • T-Mobile’s strategy is to “attack incumbents and find innovative ways to overcome scale disadvantages. [T-Mobile] will be faster, more agile, and scrappy, with diligence on decisions and costs both big and small. Our approach to market will not be conventional, and we will push to the boundaries where possible. . . . [T-Mobile] will champion the customer and break down industry barriers with innovations. . . .”

    The complaint also states that regional providers face significant competitive limitations, largely stemming from their lack of national networks, and are therefore limited in their ability to compete with the four national carriers. And, the department said that any potential entry from a new mobile wireless telecommunications services provider would be unable to offset the transaction’s anticompetitive effects because it would be difficult, time-consuming and expensive, requiring spectrum licenses and the construction of a network.

    The department said that it gave serious consideration to the efficiencies that the merging parties claim would result from the transaction. The department concluded AT&T had not demonstrated that the proposed transaction promised any efficiencies that would be sufficient to outweigh the transaction’s substantial adverse impact on competition and consumers. Moreover, the department said that AT&T could obtain substantially the same network enhancements that it claims will come from the transaction if it simply invested in its own network without eliminating a close competitor.

    AT&T is a Delaware corporation headquartered in Dallas. AT&T is one of the world’s largest providers of communications services, and is the second largest mobile wireless telecommunications services provider in the United States as measured by subscribers. It serves approximately 98.6 million connections to wireless devices. In 2010, AT&T earned mobile wireless telecommunications services revenues of $53.5 billion, and its total revenues were in excess of $124 billion.

    T-Mobile, is a Delaware corporation headquartered in Bellevue, Wash. T-Mobile is the fourth-largest mobile wireless telecommunications services provider in the United States as measured by subscribers, and serves approximately 33.6 million wireless connections to wireless devices. In 2010, T-Mobile earned mobile wireless telecommunications services revenues of $18.7 billion. T-Mobile is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom AG.

    Deutsche Telekom AG is a German corporation headquartered in Bonn, Germany. It is the largest telecommunications operator in Europe with wireline and wireless interests in numerous countries and total annual revenues in 2010 of €62.4 billion.

    Download a copy of the Complaint (PDF)
     
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  8. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

  9. NightAngel79

    NightAngel79 Bounty Hunter
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    whats that from? ^(screenshot)
     
  10. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    my twitter feed, phandroid had just come before the tmonews one -- newer posts are on top. (though tmonews had announced it earlier too).
     
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  11. B2L

    B2L Android Expert
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    I know that's the case, but it's a huge step in the right direction. :)
     
  12. Don't get your hopes up, it still has to go to trial and arbitration. The DOJ is likely to make a few stipulations and then roll over to get it belly scratch.
     
  13. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    This is a big step in the right direction though.

    I think it unlikely (though possible) that the justice dept did this just to roll over later and say "well we tried"

    Rather, I think they wouldn't have gotten involved unless they thought they had a case. But anything is possible now. There are two more regulatory agencies who would have to rubber stamp this. The FTC and FCC. And now 1/3 is already coming out with a lawsuit against it. That's huge.

    Interesting times ahoy.
     
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  14. cds0699

    cds0699 Android Expert

    Oh its clearly a big step, no doubt about that. I sincerely hope the merge doesn't go through, it would severely hurt the market in my opinion.
     
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  15. Saltine713

    Saltine713 Android Enthusiast

    The gov. said that it could still happen, just making it harder to do so.
     
  16. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Extreme Android User

    Don't forget that the ATT and Verizon conglomerates also have broadband. They could both bundle everything in one package with a data discount. Sprint and TMO don't have that option. This would make them truly monopolies - 1 GSM and 1 CDMA

    Comcast and Dish are making noises about doing cell service.

    Lightsquared seems to be getting some of the smaller carriers to sigh, along with Sprint.

    I'd far rather be able to select what I want - with some of TMO plans I can, than be told by some jerk in marketing what I want!

    I don't particularly want the merger, either.
     
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  17. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    Verizon already does bundle I believe. Even though Verizon Telecom (the wireline and ISP/Fios) is a different company than Verizon Wireless (a jointly owned company by Verizon Telecom and Vodafone I think)

    Dunno about ATT ISP vs Wireless
     
  18. Saltine713

    Saltine713 Android Enthusiast

    I doubt this will work, or any others that people are talking about because of the trust busters.
     
  19. NowVoyager

    NowVoyager Android Enthusiast

    I don't want to lose my GSM nor my SIM card! Nor do I want some conglomerate dictating whether or not Android will live or die. Clearly, ATT has been a Windows and iPhone house. If they so chose, they could simply decide *not* to order Android (as they have done in the past) and (after the takeover) kill a good segment of the market.

    With that much juice, they could decide what does or does not see the light of day. That is *way* too much power for them to have. Not too long ago, you could hear customers complain about their lack of Android phone choices. If they decide not to go with a particular manufacturer, that manufacturer's business will suffer greatly.

    The big losers however, would be *us*. And they'd hit us in our pockets. They have already killed their Unlimited Plan...And of course Vizzie followed. Influence? You betcha. And I don't want to get started on why I have a personal dislike of their business practices. But, they are legendary! They could drive prices through the roof and there would be no stopping them. The government seems to agree with this possibility.

    Nobody thought that The Bells could be broken up. But they were. People forget that the new ATT is the *old* SBC and they're up to their old tricks and tactics. I want no parts of them.
     
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  20. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    yep AT&T is the re-merger of like 6 Baby bells, and Verizon is 4 or so.


    oddly enough though, the biggest winner by far from sales of Android devices has been VZW.
     
  21. Sue7M3

    Sue7M3 Well-Known Member

    Did they mean to say AT&T has been blocked from buying themselves? :D
     
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  22. alostpacket

    alostpacket Over Macho Grande?

    LOL! I didn't even see that!

    I was laughing at how tmonews was like "eh here's a blackberry tweet...no one willl care.." and it was right next to the big news of the day
     
  23. chrlswltrs

    chrlswltrs Extreme Android User

    I was very happy when I read this today, it is definitely a step in the right direction. I never want to go back to AT&T!
     
  24. zuben el genub

    zuben el genub Extreme Android User

    One article I saw made the insinuation that the ATT was trying to go back to the pre break up of the Bells.

    Here's another outlook:
    Industry reactions to DOJ's blockage of AT&T/T-Mobile merger

    Sprint is now trying to prove that the merger won't add jobs. I know the Union thinks there will be jobs added, but there's nothing that says that ATT can't offshore most of the non-technical stuff as they do now. Or hire independent contractors who may or may not be union.

    Sprint Study Pokes Holes in AT&T Job Creation Claims - Not That This Was Particularly Hard to Do... | DSLReports.com, ISP Information
     
  25. ari-free

    ari-free Android Expert

    I don't 'like' the merger, it's not my 'cup of tea' but the last thing I want to see is govt getting in the way when there is no fraud or deception involved.
     
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