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  1. TheAmazingDave

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    ^If that's Erica's video, it's being regarded by many as FUD. Almost a week in and I have zero signs of burn-in on my screen. I've been using it more than usual as I play with Chromecast and DLing/setting up apps for my Moto360.

    This doesn't seem to be a widespread issue. Still watching it like a hawk, however.
     

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    I wonder if a bad batch of screens got through? I am not seeing anything at all, unless for this to happen you have to have your screen cranked up to full brightness all the time and have a boatload of screen time.

    It doesn't have to be a real issue at all. All it has to do is gain some blog traction and Samsung picks up x% of undecided buyers. Guerrilla marketing 101.
     
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    You mean #bendgate wasnt a real issue!?! :eek:
     
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    Oh no, that was totally real! I heard it from someone who saw it happen to a friend's cousin on YouTube. ;)
     
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    Great, now I've gone and made myself totally paranoid by reading and watching all this crap.

    If I experience any burn in before my fifteen days is up, this bad boy is going back and I'm out of the AMOLED screen game.
     
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    Turn the brightness all the way up and stare at the buttons for 30 seconds ... then close your eyes tightly and i'll be you've got retina burn-in. ;)
     
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    Hint: it will, it's amoled. No amoled screen is immune to it. In fact, I take back "not having it", I was able to spot it ever so faintly last night. But it's really imperceptible unless you're looking for it on a solid background in very specific conditions. Not something that I'll lose sleep over. I knew what I was getting into buying an amoled device.
     
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    Nothing here yet, even after letting my friend play with it for a bit yesterday.

    I'm standing down from DEFCON 1 to 2.
     
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    I'm not going to tell you it's there if you say it's not, but I was denying mine had any just a couple of days ago, too. If I look REALLY closely I can see it. But I mean I have to stare at it, and I'm pretty sure it's almost non-existent right after turning the screen on after it's been off for a while (i.e. it's at least partially temporary).

    *edit* if this is the sort of thing that will bother you, I suggest you STOP trying to find it (because you eventually will) and just use your phone. As I said, it was really bad on my S4 and I never noticed it.
     
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    I dont mean any disrespect to anyone who feels they may have this phenomenon.

    this thread and the thread at XDA just proves how the media can influence random people and how gossip and such can spread through social media.

    ONE VIDEO from ONE person sparked this nonsense and now everyone is scared to use their devices and instead want tips on how to "break the screen in". :rolleyes:

    LOL and yeah if you REAALLLLLLYYYY look for something in your mind you can eventually see it. I mean you are looking REAAALLLLLY close and you have to jump through all those hoops to "see" the burn in. Sounds like pixel peeping in the photography world...

    i am quite sure if @TheAmazingDave says he does not have screen burn in, he doesnt. i know for a fact i dont. unbelievable...
     
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    Equally amazing is people's ability to cover their ears/eyes and say "la la la la" and ignore it. I assure you, I *thought* it wasn't there on mine, but it is. It's SO faint, SO imperceptible I would never have seen it in normal use, and even with the "screen test" apps, it took me a lot of hunting. It also seems to be much less pronounced when the screen has been off for a while, so I think the degree to which it is visible is directly related to a) brightness and b) how long the screen has been on with the nav buttons visible. It's an AMOLED display, it's gonna happen, it's just a question of time. What I find disingenuous is how Erica leads people to belive it's "omg bad" for everyone, when it's not and when 99% of people would never notice it, even if it's there.
     
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    i appreciate your contributions to this thread and the forum at large, however i don't and won't follow such nonsense. i trust my eyes more than i will some random post or video on the internet, but thats just me... :cool:o_O
     
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    Ok, then how about you stop telling all the people who can see it with THEIR eyes on THEIR devices that it's not there? Obviously, there are too many variables here to make generalized statements. All I'm saying is AMOLED has this issue, it is ubiquitous. It is not a matter of if, but when. When may vary for a number of reasons:

    1. phone usage habits
    2. phone brightness
    3. screen variation
    4. screen on time
    5. human eye sight
    Etc, etc. Every single time there's an issue with a device you get all the people who don't have or don't know they have the issue defending the phone and treating anyone with the issue like they're making !^@!& up, and you have the other half of the people WITH the issue trying to "prove" the other half has the problem. It's pointless and does nothing but cause arguments.

    This is why I recommend people to just use their phones and stop trying to find flaws in it, no matter what they are.
     
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    I am blessed with perfect vision (wish my other senses were up to par, the pixel grid on my laptop panel drives me bonkers) and I am quite certain I do not have any burn-in whatsoever. I've even examined my screen with a jeweler's loupe while running a pixel test video fullscreen on youtube. In none of the primary colors do I have any indication at all of burn-in or image retention. None at all. End of story.

    As others have said, I'm sure there are a few phones out there exhibiting this problem. There will always be lemons in a mass-produced good. Always. Maybe there was a bad batch of silicon. Maybe one of the manufacturing machines was operating outside of calibration specs. I don't know; I don't work in the factory.

    What I do know is that perpetuating that this is a problem with Nexus 6 in general is becoming apparently more and more asinine. There is no evidence that this is a wide-spread problem. For every user reporting burn-in, there are many more reporting none. And of course, there's even many, many more who will have no problems, and we'll never hear from them.

    If my screen burns, I'll gladly eat my shorts. I'll also gladly claim warranty service from Motorola, and happily accept a swap, fixed screen, or factory refurbished Nexus 6 if that time comes.

    edit: and I'm mainly talking about brand-new, low usage time results. I think we all know and accept that the AMOLED will degrade over a period of time dependent on usage. That's not in question. The question is if these things are burning out-of-the-box. From what I've seen, I have to say, "no."
     
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    What jkc is saying that every AMOLED screen is susceptible to burn-in because of the underlying technology, whether it's visible or not. If you keep adjacent cells of an AMOLED screen on at differing power levels for a significant amount of time, one will degrade faster than the other. Of course, it's also possible to dissolve a battleship in saltwater given enough time. ;)

    The question then becomes if AMOLED cells are wearing out while in use at what point does the degradation become burn-in? I'd say when it's visible during normal operations.
     
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    Exactly, and as I said my S4 had it quite bad if you look at an app that shows a solid color. But I NEVER knew about it, so I maintain it's not a huge issue.

    What evidence do you have of that? Most people aren't OCD checking their screens for this, which is the ONLY way you'd find it. Also, the XDA poll shows 33% voted yes. That's not insignificant. I'm glad yours is flawless, but I don't think 33% defective would happen so it's much more likely that certain use cases cause it more quickly and some people are able to perceive it more readily. Who knows, but I'm sick of the "well, it's a defect" vs. "yours probably has it, too, you just can't see it" argument. Even with the Galaxy Nexus screen which has OBVIOUS issues with "splotches" on EVERY device, there were people claiming theirs wasn't affected. I even had someone tell me theirs was fine repeatedly and denied any issues, until I showed them. Then they realized they had it the whole time but it didn't bother them / they weren't sensitive to it. I'm done with this thread, mine has some, I do NOT think it's a defective panel, and I'm perfectly fine with it. It's barely even visible when using an app like RGBW, let alone in every day use. /unsubscribe.
     
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    Not sure where you're coming from with this, as I'm agreeing with you that there are people who are actually experiencing this.

    My point is that they are likely defective units, regardless if that's what you want to hear or not. The users on XDA are a very small representation of actual users out in the wild. And of this already abysmally small number of users on XDA, an even smaller percentage are stating they are aware of this issue with their units.

    Hardly grounds for widespread paranoia, IMO.
     
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    Ok, my bad.

    Disagree, at least for mine. It's very faint and all but goes away if I look after the screen has been off for a while. That's yet ANOTHER variable in this. If someone looks after their phone's screen has been on for an hour, I think it would be more visible.

    But that just proves my point. Most people a) aren't looking for it and b) would never see it unless they LOOKED for it. So of the people that *have* looked, 1/3 see it. That's not insignificant and I really doubt 33% of the screens are defective. Probably more likely that people are seeing image retention and not burn.

    Agreed, and if you look even the people who see this on their screens aren't freaking out. I don't see any widespread paranoia, as much as I'm sure Eric would love that.
     
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    Just for argument's sake is there any data on the degradation delta of AMOLED cells?

    power level applied + time on = loss of efficiency/output

    I'm sure it's a curve. Then map that against the average human ability to discern variations of tone (I think its a scale from white to black in approx. 1% increments) to predict the time and likelihood of actual burn-in under a range of settings.

    Could be fun ... or a govt. grant. ;)
     
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    I wonder if the new higher pixel count amoled screens are more susceptible to burn in. We are in uncharted waters with the N6 and Note 4. The G3 is LCD , right?
     
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    I'm not worried about this at all. If its a real problem, moto will replace it.
     
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    The reason I sent the N6 back and got a Note 4 wasn't solely based on the burn in. I just hated the fact that Moto used an inferior panel on the N6. Whether you can see the burn in or not, the N6 display is not cutting edge. It's just cheap.
     
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    Well I respectfully disagree. That's like saying the 2014 Ferrari's engine is "cheap" because it is 10 HP lower than the 2013 engine. The N6 screen is beautiful coming from an S4 and I didn't expect Samsung to give them their top of the line panel.
     
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    "coming from an S4" says it all. Of course the N6 screen is better than a 2 year old phone. I prefer to compare my tech to the actual current competition.
     
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    With the high quality of displays in general nowadays, I don't care if its "the best" out there - it doesnt need to be. Its still a fantastic display.
     
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