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Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by Jon_LTD, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Jon_LTD

    Jon_LTD Android Expert
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    I will apologise in advance if this has been answered, however I cannot seem to see it being covered anywhere.

    I have recently updated to the official 2.3.3 patch from HTC, and it's nothing bad, but it isn't a substitute for rooting.

    I was curious, is there any method of rooting from the 2.3.3? I will also add, I am a COMPLETE noob when it comes to rooting, and I feel overhwelmed by it all, unsure what is really meant by RUU, ROM, Goldcard.. I can follow instructions et, however I would like to know exactly what I'm doing. Any pointers on this would be most appreciative.

    Jon
     



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  2. Hadron

    Hadron Smoke me a kipper...
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    The guides are the answer, but you may have to read them a few times, and some bits may become clearer when you actually try to do what they describe.

    But as for the terms you ask about, you've just used an ROM Update Utility (to apply the GB update), and a ROM is just the OS and collection of system apps. As for goldcards, their purpose is to let you run an RUU you shouldn't be allowed to run, but since you can clearly run the 2.3.3 RUU I don't think you need a goldcard. Also the way we root that hboot will render the goldcard redundant (since it will upgrade the bootloader to one which will do the same thing the goldcard does), so I really don't think you need to worry about that.

    As for rooting 2.3.3, you want to visit revolutionary.io. Read their notes carefully - running it should be similar to running unrevoked (as described in the guides), after which you will have S-Off and a custom recovery. The latter is the key - with that you can either install a custom ROM or flash the zip to root your current ROM (downloaded from their documentation page). Either of these will root your phone.

    Edit: and before you ask, S-Off means that NAND security is off, i.e. you can write to parts of the system which you normally wouldn't be able to. The only thing revolutionary uses it for is to upgrade your recovery, but it does give you some extra options later on, if you want to use them.
     
  3. Jon_LTD

    Jon_LTD Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Hadron. As much as I don't mind having the 2.3.3 build, I still feel it is a little compromising and there is so much more potential.. Hell, I KNOW there is so much more potential after sifting through this forum!
    If I get chance over this weekend I am going to sit down and dedicate an afternoon to reading all the guides as well as understanding what exactly I am doing as opposed to just following instructions blindly. So expect me to asking some rather simple questions in this forum in case I come perplexed! (Which I undoubtedly will)
     
  4. ducky1979

    ducky1979 Android Expert

    Try and read the guides but don't ever worry about asking questions, its how you learn, I was the same, I asked LOADS of questions, I still do. But best of luck. We are all here when you need us.
     
  5. Hadron

    Hadron Smoke me a kipper...
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    No problem - we're happy to answer questions from people who've done the reading :)

    The one real difference in this case is that you've installed the 2.3.3 update, which means that you have to use a different tool for rooting. Otherwise it should be as described.
     
  6. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

    I too- have upgraded to the new GB release from HTC- which i found easy to do,

    so am i right in thinking that the whole rooting process using the revolutionary tool is alot easier than if i had 'attempted' this process from my stock 2.2 tmobile device-- before i did my recent upgrade?!

    i really want to make the jump of rooting, but am not the most computer literate of people, but also i wouldn't know which ROM is best to pick......

    but i am good at following a set of instructions-

    could someone possibly give me a link to the set of instructions i need

    thanks in advance

    erry
     
  7. SUroot

    SUroot Extreme Android User

    The instructions are on the revolutionary.io website.
     
  8. trevytrev

    trevytrev Well-Known Member

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  9. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

    i would actually feel comfortable following that!-- cheers

    thats my friday night sorted whilst the wife watches Big Brother

    ok -- now to choose a suitable 'all rounder' ROM that gives more space and longer battery life-

    anyone got any tips?!
     
  10. SUroot

    SUroot Extreme Android User

    Guess you want Sense?
     
  11. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

    Yeh I reckon so!
     
  12. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

    ok,i got to the point where i'm opening the revolutionary .exe file but the little black command prompt window only flashes up,it doesn't stay on the screen so i can type into it
     
  13. Rastaman-FB

    Rastaman-FB Extreme Android User

    run it as administrator
     
  14. Deleted User

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    Hi folks,

    Very new to this forum but I've also gone for the official update to Gingerbread - no real issues with it but would like to do something to allow me to uninstall Friendsstream, Stocks, Footprints and a few other things I don't use (but see them constantly running as background apps.

    I'm assuming I need to root my device (still not sure I'm understanding it all and need some more reading sessions!), but I'm not looking to install a custom ROM, just the ability to remove some pre-installed apps.

    My thinking is it will free up some space on the device and as they will no longer be running, have a small improve in battery life.

    I'm happy to read and follow a guide, but am I understanding this properly? Do I need to root the device to remove the apps? If so, is that all I need to do?

    Sorry for the slight thread hijack but it seems the info on how to root the device is in here and I just need to make sure that rooting the device is the right thing I need to do.

    Thanks (and good luck to all those about to root!).
     
  15. erry

    erry Well-Known Member


    ok- cheers mate- i removed HTC sync aswell and its working now- but i'm stuck again

    i've got the revolutionary thing to go on the phone

    i scroll down to 'mounts and storage' as instructed-- but when i hit the power button to select it- i just get the word revolutionary in blue- no sub options!


    SORRY- FORGET THAT I DIDN'T REALISE I HAD TO KEEP HOLDING DOWN WHEN I HIT POWER- ITS WORKING NOW!!!
     
  16. daveycroc

    daveycroc Newbie

    You can also use the trackpad instead of power
     
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  17. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

    looks like i've done it guys cheers!!

    all i need now is a decent power saving space giving rom

    also another question.... if i flash a new rom-- do i lose all my current apps and set up?!

    will i have to reinstall them all?!
     
  18. Jon_LTD

    Jon_LTD Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    Hi Erry,

    Looks like you're my guinea-pig! Did you use the unlockr tutorial? If so, was it as simple as it appears? Or was it a bit of a nightmare?
    I'll be doing this tomorrow when I'm slightly less inebriated! *hic*
     
  19. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

    hello mate- yeh the video definitely helped- i watched it through once and downloaded all the stuff it asks u to download on to my desktop ready

    then i watched it through the second time and basically did exactly what the guy on the video did when he did it-- pausing it if i needed a few more seconds--

    great find mate- it was exactly what i needed- haven't flashed a rom on there yet though- just looking for one now!

    theres a video showing u how to do that too at the bottom of the page!
     
  20. Hadron

    Hadron Smoke me a kipper...
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    Generally settings aren't compatible between ROMs, so you have to do a factory reset before flashing a new ROM. Apps and their data you back up with Titanium Backup; after flashing the ROM you reinstall Ti, then restore the rest. Other apps may be more convenient for message backups (SMS Backup+, MyBackup Pro, ...). Don't try to restore system settings from Ti though - safer to set stuff up again yourself.

    There are a few exceptions, where the original ROM is very similar to the new one, but don't you shouldn't count on this - better to take your backups and do a clean job. And also take a recovery backup (nandroid) before flashing anything, since if anything goes wrong this lets you go back to where you were.

    As always, the FAQs and guides are your friends in this.
     
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  21. erry

    erry Well-Known Member

  22. Jon_LTD

    Jon_LTD Android Expert
    Thread Starter

    Good work Erry, seems simple enough. I gave the video a watch myself and I can't see it being too mind boggling. I'll dedicate tomorrow afternoon to it I think.
    Hope you enjoy the new capabilities / ROMS
     
  23. erry

    erry Well-Known Member


    so can i do a titanium backup now on my normal HTC gingerbread setup up-- or do u mean AFTER i have set it all up on my new rom-- i can then use titanium back up each time from then onwards? ? does that make sense?
     
  24. Hadron

    Hadron Smoke me a kipper...
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    Actually to remove system apps like that you need S-Off (NAND storage security disabled) as well as root. But the good news for you is that since you've installed the official Gingerbread you need to use revolutionary, and what revolutionary does is give you S-Off!

    Uninstalling these apps will free some space, but only in the /system partition, whereas user apps and app data live in the /data partition. So actually it won't really save you space, unless you either move some other apps into /system or change your partition sizes (possible when S-Off, but you shouldn't rush into stuff like that - make sure you understand what you are doing first).

    In fact there are other ways of stopping these apps running, or even of uninstalling them, but you need to be rooted to use them. And since rooting with revolutionary will let you just uninstall the apps anyway then we probably don't need to discuss the alternatives ;)
     
  25. Hadron

    Hadron Smoke me a kipper...
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    Once you are rooted you can install and use Ti. In fact you want to use it to back up before changing ROMs.
     

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