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Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by jbg25, Jan 2, 2010.

  1. jbg25

    jbg25 Member
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    So...I am thinking of rooting to upgrade to 2.1 but have some questions I have not seen here yet. I did try searching...but as each phone is different and the Droid root is so new I could not find these questions anywhere.

    I have seen the term brick thrown about quite a bit here. When you talk of a risk of bricking the phone are we talking the true sense, as in the phone will be as useful as....???? Or are we talking the more recent and inacurate type of brick...where things dont work, but you can still access the phone and with help can reformat?

    Lets say I root and insall Flan, and decide I am not happy with it. How easy is it to unroot? Can I just do a factory reset?

    Do you have to turn off auto syncing and backups?

    Can I back up my phone and program settings so that if I can undo the root...I can restore my Droid to current configuration without a lot of work?

    I believe that is it for now...thanks!

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  2. proginski

    proginski Newbie

    I would like to know the answers to...

  3. messenger13

    messenger13 Android Expert

    First of all, let me say that it is entirely possible to upgrade to 2.1 without rooting a DROID. Those are two entirely separate issues.

    Once again, rooting a device simply gives you access to system files that you did not have access to before rooting. Make sense?

    As for "bricking" ... yes, that term refers to screwing up a procedure and/or messing up system files that ultimately leave your phone unbootable; i.e. a BRICK. :eek: Us geeks LOVE living on the edge. Show me a geek who hasn't bricked a device, and I'll show you a geek that's not living up to his/her potential. :D

    Rooting is fairly safe. (IMO, very safe. But that's from MY perspective.) For instance, it is MUCH safer than installing an UNofficial ROM release. Having said that, it is what you do once your phone is rooted that can be very harmful. Once a noob has access to critical system files, it is very easy for the unsuspecting noob to brick their beloved DROID. But if you follow directions VERY carefully, and ask lots of questions, one can save themselves lots of headaches.

    Was this helpful at all? :)
  4. messenger13

    messenger13 Android Expert

    Scroll down for other answers/opinions...

  5. jbg25

    jbg25 Member
    Thread Starter

    Interesting...While I fully understood that rooting and installing 2.1 are not the same...Every instance where I have seen 2.1 installed on a droid has required nandroid and therefore root.

    Has someone gotten their hands on a fully operational version that works on the Droid without rooting? do you have a link?
  6. CSTblank

    CSTblank Member

    It is the popular consensus that flashing 2.1 to your DROID without rooting is more dangerous than doing it the rooting way (in terms of a possible brick)

    or so I've heard anyway
  7. Fabolous

    Fabolous Superuser

    There's a 2.1 ROM available in an update.zip format now, however, it's not ready for day to day use yet, IMO. The most stable is humancyborg's, which will require rooting to install the custom recovery necessary to make nandroid restores.

    If you do choose to use the update.zip to upgrade to 2.1, make sure that you adb shell while you're in recovery and:

    format DATA:
    format CACHE:

    before you flash the update.zip. The update.zip will format SYSTEM for you, but you will run into troubles if you don't format DATA and CACHE manually.
  8. CatsTide

    CatsTide Android Expert

    does the humancyborg still have gps problems?
  9. johnlgalt

    johnlgalt Antidisestablishmentarian

    Seeing this thread as well as the thread in How-to and Tips (http://androidforums.com/how-tips/29204-how-root-install-droid-2-1-a.html ) is making me wonder - is there now conflicting info, or are those two different ROMs that are making the rounds (humancyborg's versus the one PeDe7 has posted)?

    I like to live on the bleeding edge (just ask me to post a list of the programs I am running on my daily use PC, you'll see) and I think this would just be the next evolutionary step for me, seeing as classes don't start back up for another week :D

    However, messenger13's advice to ask questions is probably one of the best things in this thread - some of the folks who saw me posting in early November know that I do that. A lot. So, without further ado, let me ask a couple of things firstly in here, and then possibly later on in the other thread, if I need to.

    According to the other thread, the adb shell is no longer a requirement - is this a safe statement to follow?

    Also, other than the possibility of installing the screen capture app for rooted phones (and does that even work with rooted DROIDs yet?) what are the other possibilities for the use of a rooted phone, other than development?

    At least one person said that they had heard that upgrading to 2.1 without rooting was the more 'dangerous' way to do it - is this based upon the fact that with rooting you can perform the NANDROID backup, helping to avoid a possible bricking of your phone in case the upgrade does not take place?

    Finally, I know the procedure outlined by Fabulous refers to wiping DATA and CACHE clean - does this also render installed apps unusable, and if so, does anyone have a list (or know of a list that has been started) that mentions apps that specifically break with new ROMs (and in particular 2.1 ROMs)?

    EDIT: Added the following:

    NM, the first DL in the list is for rooting specifically. The last is the actual ROM - and it *IS* the humancyborg one. I had opened the wrong file on my computer and was scratching my head...

    Silly me :p
  10. tjrocks91

    tjrocks91 Newbie

    i've had experiences with flashing psp's, ipod touches, ps2's, xbox 1's, xbox 360's before but upgrading the droid by rooting and doing all these funky things with new roms seems way to complicated. i'm not stupid, i'm fairly good with following directions but the DROID takes this to a whole new level, this stuff is difficult and if someone tries doing any of these "hacks" upgrades, etc i believe they will run into big problems (bricking a $200 phone)

    i am just going to wait until 2.1 is officially released for the droid, id rather have a 2.0.1 droid than a useless paperweight droid.

    however, if a perfectly working HTC Sense UI 2.1 ROM came out for the DROID, THAT WOULD CHANGE MY MIND.
  11. Fabolous

    Fabolous Superuser

    I think people who were having GPS problems didn't do a factory wipe when they first loaded the ROM.

    I think you're good if you do that. I haven't had issues with GPS in any of the 2.1 ROMs, starting from Greek's V0.1
  12. radikal

    radikal Android Expert

    good news that its avail in the update.zip format! I will just get it when its ready haha! How far off ya think it is?
  13. Fabolous

    Fabolous Superuser

    It looks like I spoke too soon. The update.zip isn't properly signed, so you'll need to have the custom recovery image to flash it, in which case, you can just use humancyborg's ROM.

    This update.zip version was released by Eugene, and I don't think he's doing much to update it. I think he's concentrating on getting the Milestone features onto Droid (multitouch browser, etc)
  14. Bg8780

    Bg8780 Newbie

    I'm just going to study and become more proficient in *unix distros before I even consider rooting my Droid. That is just my approach since I can't afford another one if I brick this one. lol
  15. pbrstanwood

    pbrstanwood Member

    How do I back up my system once I rooted????
  16. bdal1

    bdal1 Well-Known Member

    It is really quite easy. once you get the hang of it.

    Just goto the market and search for droidroothelper.

    After you have sucessfully install DroidRootHelper, launch the application and click the following buttons in the following order.

    Mount system 3 then 4
    Rename recovery
    Install busybox
    Install flash image
    Flash boot animation
    Flash SirPsychoS's recovery (the really big button at the bottom)
    Reboot recovery

    *you should see a yellow android as the background and “Patched by SirPsychoS” @ the top

    now you might want to perform a nandroid backup (recommended) just incase you do something wrong. to do this from the screen you are at (if you already exited it, turn off the phone and turn it back on while holding down the power button and the X button on the keyboard) navigate down to backup/restore using left and right on the dpad. select it using the dpad, and than select simple nandroid backup. it will perform the backup, than you press power to go back to the main menu and than select reboot system now using the d-pad.

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