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Discussion in 'Android Apps & Games' started by TBotNik, Jan 15, 2021.

  1. TBotNik

    TBotNik Newbie
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    All,

    I do not want a "SPAM BLOCKER" but a "SPAM CAPTURE" app that show me: "SAVE THIS CALL" everytime a spam or suspected spam call comes in.

    As an owner previously of 3 phone companies we had tools that could "back trace" a call to it's originator. Since it is now internationally illegal to SPAM or SPOOF, with a $250K fine for every occurrence, I need this "capture" app that 1.) Saves the call info packet, 2.) Submits the info packet to a back trace server, 3.) Replies and adds the "originator" information to the original "saved" file, 4.) Notifies you when the information is complete.

    Additional "nice to have" would be an auto submit to the IISC, fining the company and awarding the 10% finders fee ($25K) the IISC pays.

    If you know of such an app, or the start of the same, let me know! Totally interested in getting this! I will gladly volunteer as a tester for any such app.

    Cheers!

    TBNK
     


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  2. ocnbrze

    ocnbrze DON'T PANIC!!!!!!!!!

    haven't heard of anything like that. the most you will find are the blockers. would be nice to have an app like you suggested though.
     
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  3. Dannydet

    Dannydet Extreme Android User

    I think the tools you need are not available to the general public...
     
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  4. TBotNik

    TBotNik Newbie
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    All,

    I'm not a mobile app developer, but if someone writes a front end I'll find a "back tracking server" to submit call info to, even if I have to build it myself.

    Cheers!

    TBNK
     
  5. puppykickr

    puppykickr Android Expert

    I wasted years of my life in a fruitless battle with spammers.

    What I have surmised is that the carriers are complicit in their operations, and therefore have absolutely no interest in making them stop.

    I went so far as to call one of my credit card companies, and try to set up a 'phoney' account that would allow them to catch these people.
    Yeah, they don't do that.
    And the police are not interested unless money has been taken, and it must be over a certain amount.

    No money = no crime.
    Not enough money = no charges.

    The phone companies claim that they have no idea who or where these calls are coming from.

    I find this impossible to believe, as they can provide detailed info about every incoming and outgoing call on their system.

    I find the idea that because a number is 'spoofed' that they cannot figure out where it originated to be unbelieveable.

    Meanwhile, if you or I were to get the equipment and annoy spammers all day- well now, that is just against the law and they would have to put a stop to that!

    Keep in mind that these calls very often originate in foreign countries, where our laws have no force at all.

    So basically we are left to disconnect any landline devices and to use spam blockers on our mobile devices.

    You will get no help from government or providers.

    Not to mention that if an app was created, the spammers would simply find a workaround, if not even figure out how to make the app be annoying as a spam call.
     
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  6. Cao Van Thanh

    Cao Van Thanh Well-Known Member

    Legality is the million dollar question.
    I am very interest with this proposal, but I do not know how to prevent the app from penalty because it like a spyware.
     
  7. TBotNik

    TBotNik Newbie
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    puppykickr &
    Cao Van Thanh,

    Not surprised at all that you are not aware of the International laws concerning this where it is $250K fine for each SPAM. A conviction in court, because of the seriousness of this crime is not negotiable (fine amount) nor appealable and you get 10% finders fee for each SPAM you submit that is successfully prosecuted.

    The IISC does not publish to non-members because of the seriousness of all Cyber Security issues and therefore by not publicly posting, keeps the security measures only in the hands of members, who have to be vetted before becoming members.

    There is supposed to be a public Q & A site coming soon in 2021, where only nonsensitive information will be published.

    Oh! Keep asking around, to people you know in communications that know about "Back-Tracing" servers, that we might be able to use for gathering the complete info on SPAMMERs!

    Cheers!

    TBNK

    PS

    Since Spammers usually spoof the number, the info that is necessary to submit to a back-trace server is your number, their number (used even if spoofed), time of the call, and your service provider. Since the back-trace server can find the call with that info submitted it can back-trace from switch node to switch node until it finds the actual originator of the call, including their company/contact name, location (mailing address & email) and actual working phone number including their service provider information and their account number with that provider.

    If you file an "Intent to Sue" with the service provider, they will drop the client, rather than face the penalties allowing this spammer to continue, will generate, since those fines can easily exceed $5M.

    T
     
    #7 TBotNik, Jan 18, 2021
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  8. BiGHaRRy

    BiGHaRRy Lurker

    Such apps do exist, but civilians don't have access to them. They are used by law enforcement agencies to investigate crimes. It seems to me that the use of such applications by ordinary people will be a criminal offense.
     
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  9. Cao Van Thanh

    Cao Van Thanh Well-Known Member

    You're right:
    - Service providers sell your data to spammers and their accomplices.
    - Laws are made to make us feel better, but taxes from suppliers are number 1 because it's government income.
    So that is the million dollar question kkkkk
     
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  10. TBotNik

    TBotNik Newbie
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    BiGHaRRy,

    The IISC will make it mandatory, April 2021, for all Internet, Phone, SMS and WiFi iSPs to not only have one, but also have user interaction with one, since all SPAM is a felony crime, with $250K fine for each offense and 20 years for anyone with over 100 unauthorized exchanges.

    TBNK
     
  11. mikedt

    mikedt 你好

    What exactly is this "IISC" of whom you speak? I did Google it, and I found mostly for things like Indian institute of Science, which is a university in Bangalore.
     
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  12. puppykickr

    puppykickr Android Expert

    Spammers do not care about any such laws.

    To think that any of these laws will have any positive effect is laughable.

    To be honest, the vast majority of spam (in my experience) comes from a single portion of the world's population- one whose main goal at the moment is to disrupt, disturb, and finally destroy western society as much as possible.

    I call it 'telephone terrorism', because that is exactly what it is.

    Laws passed here have no relevence where these calls originate from.

    The only way to force them to comply would be to bribe and/or overthrow the governments of such places.

    Good luck with any of that.
     
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