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Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by cjr72, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. cjr72

    cjr72 Android Enthusiast
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    Obama Administration Says It Can Spy On Americans, But Can't Tell You What Law Allows It | Techdirt

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  2. Njcellgeek74

    Njcellgeek74 Well-Known Member

    It is scary to think that our government can delve into our personal affairs without just cause. It is a severe violation of privacy. I have heard that calls are monitered for "trigger" words and recorded if a certain combination of said words are used in one conversation. Am I surprised? No. The IRS can bust down your door and remove everything you own for not paying income taxes. Why shouldn't they listen in on calls, read emails and texts, etc. Regardless of what Obama says, it will remain this way as long as the Feds feel justified and we go along with it. Nerve-wracking, isn't it?
     
  3. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    This is nothing new. Everyones government spies on their people. They want to spy on me then more power to them as I have nothing to hide, but maybe my extensive porno collection lol.
     
  4. Martimus

    Martimus One bite at a time...

    President Bush signed a Presidential order to authorize this type of behavior back in 2005:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html

    Beyond that the US Government had been running the Echelon program since the 1960's to listen to and spy on telephone conversations.
     
  5. Njcellgeek74

    Njcellgeek74 Well-Known Member


    Lol!!! If they eavesdrop on my conversations, they deserve what they overhear. XD
     
  6. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    That so far afield it's not even wrong.

    The idea that only people with things to hide would need fear government invasion of privacy is lofty - and that's the problem, right there.

    There's something even loftier - it's the expectation of privacy for its own sake.
     
  7. nlsme

    nlsme Android Expert

    Lemme get this straight, you dont want government in business' affairs, but, when it comes to personal privacy you say "more power to them"?
     
  8. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    Its my personal opinion of what I said. So its not up to you to pass judgment on wither its right or wrong. If the government wants to spy on you they will and nothing you can do about it as you will never know that they did it in the first place. I bet we all been spied on at one time or the other.
     
  9. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    I got spied on for a living.

    And my personal opinion is that your personal opinion is wrong.

    You have every right to your opinion - I have total respect for that. I'm from the school the school that says I may disagree with what you say, but I'll give my life in defense of your right to say it.

    My opinion is equally valid - as I find your own to be as inherently judgmental as mine. If you think about it - opposing opinions tend to be that way by definition.
     
  10. Adauth

    Adauth Android Expert


    Thank you for saying this, so I did not have to.

    It is NOT ok for the government to spy on you. Period.
     
  11. Adauth

    Adauth Android Expert

    Here we go again....This type of thinking is so sad
     
  12. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    No it isn't sad as how will you stop them from doing this. Write an angry letter to Congress? We can't tell our government what they can or can't do. We can't even find out what they do behind closed doors. Oh you will say we can vote them out. But still the machine still moves fwd. I guess we could revolt like Egypt did. Every freedom and right comes with a cost. Remember the old saying nothing is truely free. Sooner or later you have to pay.

    So if you found out the government spied on you. What course of action would you take to rectify it.
     
  13. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    By social contract, I expect the NSA to spy on me - as an anonymous signal source - unless and until I set off triggers. By the same token, I expect the IRS to be automatically aware of certain financial transactions.

    Aside from that class - were I to find that I was the specific target of surveillance, then I'd get a lawyer - either to defend my rights upon discovery that it was lawfully warranted - or to assert my rights against government invasion of privacy.

    In the latter case, I'd also alert every media outlet I could think of, for fear of being made a grease spot in the dead of night.

    I'd like to think that Watergate did indeed count for more in my lifetime than just the -gate meme for every lazy reporter to use.
     
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