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The (maybe) "Epic" Motorola X Pre-Release Thread

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by The_Chief, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. Old Member

    Old Member Android Expert

    I know right? The good news is that when you click purchase off contract it lowers it to $709.99:rolleyes:
     

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  2. Cronis

    Cronis Android Enthusiast


    I'm def not trying to be antagonistic or anything, learning a lot from these convos. Just bringing up points that seem to jump out at me and im curiuos what yall think even if i come off as the devils advocate :p
     
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  3. halon

    halon hakuna matata

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    The biggest selling point of this phone is customization. But they let one carrier have exclusivity for an unknown amount of time INCLUDING the 32gb verison.

    How dumb is that?

    There's a possibility that I would actually customize the colors on mine but I don't want to wait for I have no idea how long? And I would rather have the 32gb.

    ^That could make me skip this phone.
     
  4. Old Member

    Old Member Android Expert

    I don't know. If by customizing you mean changing the color of your battery door cover, once this thing is released check out eBay, I'm sure you will have customization options until your heart is content.

    Don't forget that most of us will get a case that will cover up those customizations, err different colored battery covers as soon as we buy the phone and we will never see them anyway.

    I just don't understand the hubub about the customization. Black front, white front? 32GB or 16GB? Those are options on most phones. The rest, meh.

    Good phone, worthy of standing on it's own two legs. The customization thing is a joke though. I call it a ropadope. People think the gimmicky part is the hands free or X8 technology but in reality it's the customization.
     
  5. halon

    halon hakuna matata

    I don't do cases.

    And lets say that this exclusivity is for 3 months. That means I have to wait 3 months to the get the 32gb. By then something better could come out. Then Moto just lost out on my money.

    Scenario #2: 22yr old girl walks into Verizon. "Hey I saw this phone on TV and it said I can pick whatever colors I want. I want to get that!" Employees response..."We do have that phone and unfortunately you can only do that with AT&T and we don't know for how long until you can do with us." Girl..."Oh that sucks! I'll just get an *insert whatever phone*." (Moto just lost more money)
     
  6. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    Cronis - please specify which Krait 300 based quad phones were released a year ago. I know of none.

    You stated and I quote - The quads with Krait 300 were released almost a year ago - I believe that you'll find that the Snapdragon 600 was announced for sampling on Jan 7 of this year for production delivery in the second quarter of 2013.

    In fact, Qualcomm unveiled the Krait 300 and 400 at that time at CES.

    It sounds to me like you've confused it with the Krait 200, and that you're under the impression that S4 Pro is a thing rather than a family.

    Krait 300 CPUs sampled this year and only became available for production within the 2nd quarter of this year - therefore - it is not last year's tech.

    Can a quad handle more processes and threads more quickly than a dual-core?

    Yes.

    Can it do so with less power consumption?

    Given the same tasks, there's an inflection point where you go from saving power to drawing a lot more power with a quad.

    That's not a single application case, and that's the case I was speaking to - because I thought that it was clear that that was the case you were speaking to. Sorry that wasn't obvious, I ought to made clear that I was speaking to the case of the normal use of preemptive multitasking here.

    I'm not making the presupposition you thought, nor did I debunk my own statement, I simply pointed out that you're not presenting the power/performance curve in your claims.

    And no, most people don't know about threads - and unless they're able to run in parallel properly, you don't know how many cores will benefit.

    You're making absolute claims with underconstrained conditions - you can't do that fairly.

    And if you knew that software is written in threads, why did you bring up optimizing software for multiple cores when you knew that wasn't true?

    I'm sorry - I'm honestly not following something there - perhaps you can clarify that whole bit about apps needing to be optimized for multiple cores thing you said earlier.

    The bottom line for the consumer is this - if you expect a quad core to run the same battery efficiency as a dual core, then you'll have to limit its upper clock speed so that all four cores together won't draw more power than your dual core.

    No one is doing that.

    And finally - if a pair of Krait 300s only available this year are suddenly mid-range because there's only two of them here, then by that logic, when the Snapdragon 800 comes out a little later this year sporting 4 Krait 400s, then the One and SGS4 will instantly be midrange phones because they're using an outdated processor at that point.

    I can't tell - is that your position?

    And finally, nothing in my posts doesn't presuppose a natural software progression based on past trends, as I hope is casually obvious. :)

    PS - do you know the software allocation between the CPUs and the GPU? I don't think that's obvious at all.

    And also - I have two browsers that I tend to stream media with.

    With one, a single core typically runs at 1184 MHz and the other is quiescent with occasional blips up to 384 MHz.

    With the other, both cores tend to run at 1512 MHz all of the time.

    There is no apparent difference to me at all in video quality when that's happening.

    You can run the heck out of anything. Doesn't mean that the apps that light up more cores to the max are optimized at all. Nor does it indicate that you need that iron.

    And by the way, you said -

    You seem to be assuming that we live in static tech progression when in fact we don't, last years high end tech is this years mid end tech.

    Odd that you're quoting me and then saying that I don't know that. :D

    Last year's high end tech included the SGS3 and One X - in America that meant dual core Krait 200s with an Adreno 225.

    This year's dual core Krait 300s and Adreno 320, as found in the Moto X, will run circles around those two examples of last year's high-end tech.

    I assumed nothing. I merely presented facts, not claims. :)

    In fact, in this thread I said repeatedly that last year's high-end tech is this year's mid-range tech.

    And this year's high-end tech is this year's high-end tech.

    I probably should add back to my profile that I've been in semiconductor r&d for a good many years - perhaps that would help abate ideas that I'm behind in understanding tech progression. :dontknow:

    BTW - I don't know what "static tech progression" means, static is static, progression is progression. :dontknow:
     
  7. MSUgEEk

    MSUgEEk Android Expert

    I know enough about the phone, I just want a release date on AT&T now. Anyone got that? lol :p
     
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  8. drhill

    drhill Android Expert

    This is funny. I like when people argue with programmers on how multi-core systems work and how within a year Facebook will be running 4+ parallel threads which peg the cpu at 100%.
     
  9. MSUgEEk

    MSUgEEk Android Expert

    Motorola Cheaps Out With Moto X

    This was painfully obvious to me when I visited the AT&T store. When I explained my poor service/reception with Verizon as being my reason for switching to AT&T the rep immediately started pushing iPhones and S4s as having GREAT reception. Once I explained my Galaxy Nexus got horrible reception and I have used iPhones and didn't like them she couldn't believe it. Started blaming the poor reception of my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon and their Galaxy phones didn't do that. Once I explained we were simply waiting on the Moto X she let out an audible "Pshh!" and explained that Motorola was crap and she didn't understand how they sold those Droid phones at Verizon and we needed an S4.

    Moto has some work to do in the AT&T stores for sure!
     
  10. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin'

    AT&T has a corporate directive to push people towards iphones, it's quite sickening. I do find it funny when someone tries to say a Samsung has better reception than a Motorola, :rolleyes:
     
  11. shalemail

    shalemail Android Expert

    Can we talk real world here for a minute?

    This is not an action movie, none of us, and I do me ZERO% of us uses our phone for a corporate takeover, to run all the national defense systems, to hack the national grid.

    They are cell phones. They are meant to have access to email, web, helpful apps texting and oh yea make phone calls once and a while. The reality of what you really need is in question here. With the optimization Moto has made with the dual core and the added systems on the X8 it does what 90% of phone users need and it does it smoothly.

    IF you're a "POWER" user, don't get the X, but don't complain about it either. Not meaning to be snippy at all, just confused why people can't appreciate this phone for what it is. INNOVATION.

    That said, for you power hungry spec fiends, there are LOTS and LOTS of sheep out there feeding your addiction, HTC, SAMSUNG, LG, the list goes on and on.

    Enjoy your phones, let us enjoy ours. :D
     
  12. shalemail

    shalemail Android Expert

  13. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven ...eschew obfuscation...
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    That read like a rather whiney article.:rolleyes:
     
  14. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    I couldn't take it any more.

    Registered, my comment at Forbes -


    Now I just need for their stupid profile tool to recognize my avatar so y'all know it's me. :D
     
  15. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven ...eschew obfuscation...
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    And you have been called out by the author.:rofl:
     
  16. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    Well, that's pretty fair imo.

    I give likes and thanks here for insight and positive participation whether people agree with me or think I'm an idiot. :)

    The fun is in the discussion. :)
     
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  17. halon

    halon hakuna matata

    Not sure if it was mentioned but AT&T has exclusivity until November.

    So. Freaking. Dumb. Motorola.
     
  18. The_Chief

    The_Chief Accept no imitations!
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    NOVEMBER???? You have got to be kidding me.

    I had high hopes that my Nexus will be collecting dust by then.
     
  19. AntimonyER

    AntimonyER CHANGED FROM AF ADDICT MIKESTONY

    Wow, but are we really surprised? I'm sure Verizon didn't want their new Droids to be COMPLETELY orphaned before they are even out.
     
  20. halon

    halon hakuna matata

    So if you're on any other carrier you get black or white and 16gb only.
     
  21. Crudes

    Crudes Member



    This is truly disappointing news. It's so hard to justify getting this phone if I can't play with the fun color customizations. And waiting until November is RIDICULOUS.

    And now I'm lost. My Galaxy Nexus is crawling to the finish line and I just want to replace it with something fun and exciting. Maybe I'll just go ahead and get the S4? The G2 is just soooo big!
     
  22. shalemail

    shalemail Android Expert


    Sounds like the case to me. Where was it announced that November is the duration of the AT&T run of exclusivity?
     
  23. shalemail

    shalemail Android Expert


    Not sure I'd call it discussion or even being called out. His first statement is
    "Wow, EarlyMon thanks for the long response! I
     
  24. halon

    halon hakuna matata


    If I could remember where I saw the article I would post it. If I do, I will.
     
  25. swantonbomboy

    swantonbomboy Member

    I think the original post got some people a little confused.

    I thought the only AT&T exclusivity was for the motomaker phones.

    I've read rumors about the 32gb variant being exclusive but haven't seen many sources reporting that.

    Either way, the drop date still appears to be August 23rd for Verizon.
    Verizon Leak Points to August 23rd Release for Moto X
     
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