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The Nexus One's Dirty Display Secret - 16 Bit Color

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  1. kilofox

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    Only 16-Bit Color !?!?!?!?

    I dont have this phone, but as a photography buff, I want my pictures to look good when displayed on my high-end phone.

    How do the pictures look on the N1? Do you notice banding of colors?

    http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm

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    many of the comments blame the android 2.1 gallery app as the culprit for the color banding issues.

    Anyways, I didnt buy the nexus one for taking serious photos or even looking at photos. Thats what my digital camera and computer are for. As for the display being 16-bit, big deal. The resolution is still great, and the colors are crisp and vibrant.
     
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    I took a look at that NASA picture and it looks smooth without any banding. I don't know about the color banding you posted above, but this is all suspect. Probably someone doing sloppy testing and/or biased.
     
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    Don't have that on the NASA picture...
     
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    Lulz, Gizmodo. More like Applemodo, amirite.
     
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    some websites have idiot-like editors who never do a full test before posting BS. Apple-phanboys are ruling those crappy websites. :mad:

    thanks kilofox.
     
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    The actual article comes from displaymate.com not Gizmodo.

    Google Nexus One OLED Display Shoot-Out

    This isnt a fanboi issue. You need to get your emotions out of the equation.
     
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    ooops, my android-fanboi tendency got exposed here .. well, my bad :p
     
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    I just went through my entire gallery, followed by looking at the very images they posted.

    There is banding, but only if you really are looking for it. I have quite a few images where I took a picture in a dark environment, with flash on, and I really have to look to see the banding. This was a poorly performed and frankly, inaccurate test and and illegitimate, flame baiting article. I'm noticing Gizmodo seems to be more and more threatened by android and google, and post more and more anti-Android/Google content. What a joke.
     
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    Its my fault for attributing this article to Gizmodo, the actual article comes from displaymate.com

    Google Nexus One OLED Display Shoot-Out

    I dont think displaymate has an aint-android bias, but thats up for you to decide. Their test seems pretty straight forward to me.

    I am a photog enthusiast and I hate color-banding, this issue is of importance to me as a potential purchaser of this phone. If your pictures look fine to you then no big deal. Be happy with your phone, you have good reason to.

    You dont have to "defend" your Nexus purchase, I am just looking for some info from people who have the phone. Especially those who display photos on the N1 taken with higher end camera i.e. DLSR or highend P&S.
     
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    I'm not sure what app they used to view their images but keep in mind that there's been a lot of talk about the Gallery.app not rendering pictures correctly. I viewed that sunset on mars picture through the browser and I don't see any of they banding they showed. I also went to this site and viewed that gradient image and you can barely barely make out some really thin lines.

    If you haven't seen a Nexus One screen in person yet it's all the convincing you'll need. Every single person that I've shown my phone to is amazed at how amazing the screen looks, most of them being iphone owners.
     
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    No lie, that kinda sucks. You'd think it would be Google to hold back all the stops and make the most kick ass phone... but they cut corners too--do no evil... pssh.
     
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    If you read through those Gizmodo comments you'll see how many Nexus One owners aren't seeing anything close to what that site shows. I'm sure Gizmodo has some N1's of their own that they could easily test it with, but instead they just show the results of someone else without trying anything on their own.

    I'm not trying to defend the N1 or anything but what they show just isn't what most people are reporting. I noticed then viewing that gradient image in the browser that when you touch screen to scroll or zoom the image becomes "banded" but then once you let go it fully renders the image correctly; I don't know why it does this, maybe to make scrolling and zooming smoother?
     
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    I'm defending nothing. I'm giving you the straight facts: My phone is a Nexus One, and it doesn't have banding at even a fraction of that level. Not even close. I don't know if Displaymate has a bias, but that poorly performed test certainly doesn't make me think they are pro-android, and Gizmodo has a very obvious bias.

    Regardless, based off of what I am looking at right now, I'm inclined to think they either they had a bad model, performed an illegitmate test for intentionally bad results, or simply did a piss poor job of a test on accident.
     
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    Besides owning a Nexus, what is your background that qualifies you to determine that Displaymate performed a poor test?
     
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    The results of their test should be reproducible, they are not.
     
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    So say you all?

    If so, thanks. I will certainly add the N1 to my list of next phone candidates.
     
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    I have none, and I'm not going to pretend I have any. I'm simply a nexus one user who just compared the results and noticed theirs are vastly different from mine.
    Incidentally, if you want to see a bit of proof:
    Their shot
    My shot, heres all the way zoomed out and landscape and zoomed in(I just went through the really silly and overly long method of taking screenshots on an android)
    I've now gone so far as to supply evidence. What did they do different that made their results so horrible?

    EDIT: I'm hearing a bit about how they were using the default browser and gallery. I'll post comparisons later, when I get back from work. Dunno how that will turn out.
     
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    The panel in the Nexus One is a 3.7", AMOLED Samsung Mobile Display AMS369FG03-0 which supports 24bit color.
     
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    So how come I can open that link on my Nexus One and view the iPhone shots without banding on my Nexus One?
     
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    iPhone is so washed out in color compared to Nexus. If you want to show how vibrant and beautiful your pictures are, use the Nexus.

    Both images taken with the phones at 100% brightness. Picture taken with a Canon 5D Mark II with EF 24-70mm 2.8F L USM lens. Can go to my links and download the original 21 megapixels image.

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    They defiantly are not using the photo gallery to display the image. The menu bar on the top does not display when go into the photo gallery.
     
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    @inspiron: You're right. So then the question is, are they writing their own android app for displaying these images? If so then it's probably their own fault they're not rendering properly.
     
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    Just checked Gizmodo's site again right now, the first picture in their post they said they took themselves by viewing that rgb gradient in the browser.
     
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    If you want to see for yourself the "horrible" banding, just download UberColorPicer Demo from the market. You will see how smooth gradients are rendered from the N1. Not from some jpg bitmap images Displaymate uses. :rolleyes:
     
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