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UN Libyan Resolution

Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by cipher6, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. cipher6

    cipher6 Android Enthusiast
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    UN passed a resolution authorizing any means necessary to protect civilians in Libya. And NATO and others are gearing up for attacks soon. (France has been saying in a couple of hours since yesterday.)

    Whats interesting, its passed on the reasoning that they are protecting civilians. Its hard to know exactly whats going on, but it seems Qaddafi is fighting an insurrection more than randomly attacking civilians.

    Will the UN allow Qaddafi to keep fighting the rebels under strict guidelines that protect civilians? Will the rebels be held to the same standards to protect non-combatants?

    Or is this UN resolution to protect civilians, just a cover to allow UN nations to support the rebels in the destruction of Qaddafi's government?

    Personally, I think Qaddafi is a nut and the world would be better without him, but it doesn't seem the UN is stating their true intentions with this resolution... This is going to get much more interesting next week.

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  2. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Good news.

    Italy is being difficult though
  3. copestag

    copestag Android Expert

    2 weeks ago the UN honored Libya for their humanitarian efforts..... citing them as a shining example

    now they declare war on them

    the UN should be disassembled
  4. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

  5. Crude

    Crude Android Expert

    This for sure. Either way we should stop giving them money...
  6. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    SO to promote peace and save civilian lives. They are what going to shoot down fighters? Are they going to attack ground troops so they cant kill civilians? So the UN is going to do what they condemn Qaddafi of doing.
  7. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    We all know an attack on Bengazi would've been a bloodbath....
  8. LoyalServant

    LoyalServant Android Expert

    These people are being shelled right now.....
    They need to do something about this.
  9. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    when the United States was having its revolutionary war. Who all said the British should just stop that and just give them their freedom?

    When you have a clash between the rulers of a country and its people who wants to over throw that country. You will have blood shed. There is do diverting this. So I dont know why people are so mad of whats going on over there. When someone like Qaddafi who you know wont give up his power and his people that wants his ousted. Of course there will be bloodshed and the stronger side will use all their resources at their disposal to keep their power and to put their people back in line.

    THis is no different than what we and the british went through. They sent the full brunt of their millitary on to us to crush us and put us back in line. We have to remember freedom comes with a price and that price is bloodshed.

    The UN talks a great talk but in the end they will not send UN troops to go over there back up their talk. They are waiting for the US to say dont worry we will fight for you. Then we have another Iraq on our hands.
  10. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    it seems to me that European countries are taking the lead for once... hopefully they remember Bosnia
  11. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    BBC: French Fighter launches first strike at 16:45 GMT
    Canadian fighters and support planes landing in Glasgow
    Al Jazeera: British Navy beginning naval blockade
  12. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    I think its the case that they largely agree with the Germans on EuroEconomic policy and are happy for Germany to plough on with its initiatives
  13. Slug

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    Before anyone says something they may regret (and incur an infraction in doing so), may I remind everyone that no matter what the subject we still expect our members to show respect for others. This includes asinine racial stereotypes that take no account of historical events.
  14. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    WHo me?:eek:
  15. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    No, of course not you :rolleyes:
  16. adi19956

    adi19956 Android Expert

    I was following the crisis until one in the morning last night. Good on the coalition and good on the rebels who appear to have set up decent governing in Benghazi. There've been helicopters flying over my area pretty frequently now...
    It's nice to see Britain taking a leading role for once.
    I don't want to break the respect rule... but I hope Gaddafi gets what's coming to him
  17. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    This will turn in to another Iraq. Its the same setup and no good will come with us interfering. Look at Iraq, also Afghanistan, Vietnam What good came from us interfering?
  18. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    the differences are quite stark
    Gaddafi has a very small support base - much of his forces are mercenaries
    Very different to Vietnam/Iraq
    And seriously, Afghanistan, the home of no government since 1970[TM]?
  19. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    And what did they all have in common is the US government went to help them. No good will come of this we need to just let them do it on their own.
  20. adi19956

    adi19956 Android Expert

    Ousted Husein and attempted democracy, fighting terrorism which is posing a threat to the west as well as training Afghan soldiers etc. Vietnam... that was pointless, but it wasn't a UK conflict so I won't argue on it.

    The no-fly zone (no-combat if you ask me) is saving lives as we speak.
    How can you say no good comes from the coalition interfering?
    The UN has decided this is best, so it's what we'll do.
    As well as all this, it's forcing the MoD to reconsider big cuts to places like RAF Lokiemouth (even though no jets have been sent to Libya from there) because they are needed.
    All in all, I'd say it's a needed intervention
  21. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    Again I give you Iraq.
  22. copestag

    copestag Android Expert

    B2 bombers as well as other airforce and marine planes have been bombing ground troops and tanks all day........ they launched tomahawk missles and destroyed Qaddaffi's home............ doesnt exactly sound like a "no-combat" no fly zone to me........ sounds to me like we are at war...... or at the very least the US is assisting with a military coup
  23. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    Yeah how is his home a military target?
  24. Slug

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    The terms of UN Resolution 1973 are quite clear. The aim is to prevent targeting of the civilian population. To do that requires air supremacy, which in return requires that the Libyian air defence and command-and-control networks be degraded. It also allows for direct intervention on military units threatening civilian areas. It's also significant that Quatar and the UAE are reported to be deploying aircraft to assist reinforcing the resolution.

    If Lossie closes the Tornado squadrons will go elsewhere, probably RAF Marham. A base closing doesn't mean loss of aircraft, although one squadron is being disbanded later this year in any case (as in one based at Marham). Squadrons no longer "own" their own aircraft anyway; it's all one big "pool" allocated as required. At least two Tonkas deployed to Marham from Lossie over the weekend for example, probably to reinforce the squadrons flying those 3000 mile round trips.

    According to news reports, confirmed by Libyian govt sources, the building hit was a command and control centre.
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  25. cipher6

    cipher6 Android Enthusiast
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    Its heating up now...

    Who would have predicted after Obama's election, he would be starting the next war?

    The Arab League, who were crying for a NFZ a few days ago, are now upset.

    Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya - The Washington Post

    Part of a NFZ is taking out Libyan air defense systems. Did the the Arab League expect western forces to set up a NFZ to get shot down?

    Putin condemns 'trend' of US military intervention
    Putin condemns 'trend' of US military intervention - Emirates 24/7

    Gaddafi may become target of air strikes, Liam Fox admits | World news | The Guardian

    It seems the Arabs only want Western powers there to make sure its a fair fight, not support one side or the other.

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