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General Verizon Nexus One = HTC Incredible

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by Mr. Spontaneous, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. Mr. Spontaneous

    Mr. Spontaneous Well-Known Member
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    It looks like Google has basically said that if you want the Nexus One on Verizon, go with the Incredible. https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=

    Allow me to take this moment to admit that I was wrong - I steadfastly stuck to the idea that these would be two distinct handsets on VZW's network. It's looking like that's not the case. Whether this was always planned, or it was a decision made due to the lackluster N1 sales, I don't know. Who knows, maybe Droid does.
     

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  2. Bundy

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    Wow. :eek: That's interesting.
     
  3. andrew53517

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    This wasn't planned or anything. Verizon is just stupid about stuff and they want Incredible sales, so they told google, no, for the Nexus One.

    Verizon is very, "If it's not my way, then I don't want it." And they want it there way for this with a bunch of phones coming out and they want those sales instead of customers buying that phone.
     
  4. Mike_B

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    Two handsets may still be the case. Though the N1 order page is laid out differently now, the link to the HTC Inc. isn't much different (of a concept) than the link that Google had to the Moto DROID before the Incredible was available.

    Personally, I don't care. I was holding out for the N1, but got impatient, and seeing as the Inc. is basically the same phone, it works for me!
     
  5. Asterdroid

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    That's surprising
     
  6. larryccf

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    or it could be simply verizon didn't want the svc headaches associated with the N1, and even though the incredible is the same phone (w memory & camera differences), at least on the incredible they aren't paying google a subscription commission for the contract sale google handled
     
  7. fish2587

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    that's really interesting. lot of people who held out for the N1 will be pissed! that's ok, the incredible is much better :)
     
  8. NKT

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    The N1 and Incredible ARE 2 distinct handsets. But the N1 has been having problems in testing so it's no surprise to see this happen.
     
  9. misterdoop

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    The rumor is that is came down to the trackball. Verizon really goofed up here. As much as I personally love the Droid Incredible, this doesn't do much in the way of consumer choice. So much for being an Open Network. Remember, Verizon Wireless was the only US company that even listed a release date—the dreaded, nebulous Spring 2010. In that time AT&T and Sprint have both been signed on for the Nexus One. Remember how this was supposed to be the first carrier-agnostic phone, where you could just buy it from Google and avoid this whole mess? What a joke.

    Google: No Verizon Nexus One, buy the Incredible instead
     
  10. BrasiliaFlyer

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    I doubt this is the case. . . Verizon makes much more money on that data plan, and the stupid texting plans, and the voice plans than they do on selling hardware. Maybe in the past they wanted total control (red bar GUI on EVERY phone), but now I think they realize that they need to give customers the hardware they want, and make the money selling service.
     
  11. sylent101

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  12. amarryat

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    Interesting, and based on what you found, I backed up a screen and found this link:

    Nexus One | News and Updates
     
  13. CheezWiz

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    I just think Google realized their Multi-Touch disfunctional handset does not compare to the DI. Also that bug alone may have kept it from passing Verizon's QC. Who would pay for a phone that was made with sub-par components when the DI is here?

    I do not see any conspiracy here or attempt to thwart competition.
     
  14. Flaring Afro

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    No, I dont think they planned this either, but there are 2 things that could have happened.

    1. The N1 had a bunch of bugs with connecting to 3g and people wanted multitouch, etc. By the time they worked on (and gave up) on those, the Incredible was already announced and they are so similar there wasn't a point on getting out the N1 which is mostly a lesser phone in overall specs.

    2. Verizon didn't allow it because the verizon N1 still had those 3g bugs and verizon didn't want people complaining about the network.


    VERIZON DOES NOT MAKE MONEY OFF OF PHONE SALES, THEY LOSE BUT MAKE UP FOR IT WITH THE CONTRACT. Incredible sales means nothing to them, hell they'd rather someone buy an eris which is slower which means less strain on their data network.
     
  15. jfunk

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    Yeah, I think the bottom line is the Incredible is a superior device to the N1 in virtually every measurable way, so there would be no point in continuing to pursue a Verizon release for N1.
     
  16. rushmore

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    This situation was amicable.

    1. Nexus has issues with radios and touch display sensors
    2. Google does not have adequate CS support structure yet (if ever)
    3. Nexus is more a test product for Google rather than a big money maker for them
    4. A big selling Incredible is good for Google and Verizon
    5. HTC makes money in any case
    6. Nexus would take focus from Incredible and Moto Droid

    Win win for all :)

    Unless you are a VZW customer that had your heart set on a Nexus....
     
  17. w0rdie

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  18. MrSmoofy

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    Umm Where is the logic in this?

    There will be an N1 on Verizon once it passes testing.

    1. There are 2 FCC filings one for the N1 one for the Incredible
    2. Google's page use to point to the Droid by Motorola.
     
  19. Flaring Afro

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    I have seen some people have problems with any trackball phone it seems, not just bbs. Verizon must have had a TON of complaints, so they do this to try to prevent upsetting customers. It makes sense.

    It said "if you can't wait, get the droid." Now it just says to get the incredible. It no longer says anything about a future verizon n1.
     
  20. jwm2

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    I was talking on the phone with a very knowledgeable customer service rep the other day for over an hour on the phone. Anyhow she was stating that apple came to verizon and wanted them to have the iphone before they went to at&t but verizon refused. The main reason they refused was because apple wanted to take care of the customer service of the phone and not let verizon handle that aspect of it. Verizon is apparently very hands on when it comes to phones on their network and would not agree to let a 3rd party represent them on their own network so they turned it down. It seems thats the same thing happening with google and the n1, google wants to handle the cs on verizons network with its phone and verizon doesn't want any part of that. Which imo is a good thing. Nothing would be more frustrating than having an issue that google could not fix, only to spend hours on the phone and never get a resolution. I know the times i've called verizon cs they were able to take care of my concerns within minutes no matter what the problem was. In fact when my wifes eris died, i told the cs guy that i tried doing a soft reboot, hard reboot and a couple other things. He didn't make me do the normal song and dance alot of other companies force you into, instead he said ok well it obvious to me you know what you are doing and the phone is defective. He put in a request to have a new handset sent to us and within 3 days it was here with a return label to send the old one back. Thats great customer service, thats something no other company could offer and is imo the biggest reason why verizon doesn't want a 3rd party company representing them on their own network. Imo verizon is a top notch outfit and i applaud them for holding their ground and not allowing other companies to push them around.
     
  21. x0x

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    Can't say I blame Verizon if indeed it was there decision. The Nexus One launch has been a complete disaster (hardware issues, virtually no support from Google). Plus the Nexus one is already a dated phone at this point compared to the incredible (Only possible downside spec wise for people who would want the N1 is the presence of Sense UI).
     
  22. jwm2

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    Honestly i really like the senseui, in fact most people that have used it won't go without it. Its really a useful wrapper and makes the phone much more user friendly. If and when rooting is possible the senseui will be easily removed for those that don't want it, so its not a big deal. But i'm willing to bet alot of those who use it won't want to be without it.
     
  23. Mr. Spontaneous

    Mr. Spontaneous Well-Known Member
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    Personally, I'd like to be able to get official updates from Google as they are released, meaning no Sense UI. I have no real need for Sense, and would rather have the extra cycles.

    I hope this phone is easy to root and flash, because I'll be doing that real quick.
     

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