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[Verizon] To root or not to root: that is the question.

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by trparky, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. trparky

    trparky Android Enthusiast
    Thread Starter

    Oh yeah, I was definitely going for a Shakespearean-like sound to the opening title of the thread.

    So the question is... how many people are planning to root this device?

    As of right now there are no custom recoveries to be able to get yourself out of a jam and we don't have any ROM dumps that we can Odin over to the device if we need to. So until we have those things, the risk in rooting the device is a bit too high for me.

    Personally speaking, and this is coming from someone who has had a Galaxy Nexus and played with more ROMs and kernels than I can think of, the need for root access has drastically reduced thanks in part to many changes in the Android OS since 4.0 ICS. In years past, you had to have root to be able to disable much of the bloatware but starting with ICS you can disable a lot of the stuff easily using the Manage Apps screen. That and the fact that we no longer need root to restore apps, we have Carbon for that now.


  2. sntaylor

    sntaylor Android Expert

    I had been planning to root immediately, but like you, have decided to wait until we have a few more people using/developing for it..of course things could be different by the time I finally get my s4!
  3. rkkeller

    rkkeller Android Enthusiast

    One of my main reasons for rooting is free wireless tether, ad block, apps to sd and being able to remove bloat apps.

    The Sprint, Samsung and Google stuff is about 10% of my space I am guessing.

    I am in no hurry though and can weeks/months for a stable build.
  4. rushmore

    rushmore Extreme Android User

    Seems another reason to root this device will be for people to purge the junk and reclaim a few GB of storage. This is almost to scale with the G1 days and the quest there to gain more space. The average game now is the size of the G1 storage.

    US carriers suck as far as S4 options.
  5. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin'

    Should be simple as a 1-click method is already released unless Verizon patches it.
  6. Bizmaniz

    Bizmaniz Lurker

    Coming off a Motorola phone, I've used SQL Lite for the free tether when rooted, is that compatible with Samsung phones as well? Or do you use a 3rd party app?
  7. TheyCallMeBT

    TheyCallMeBT Android Enthusiast

    I know that a lot of you are on unlimited plans, but for those of us on tiered family plans, tether is included, right?
  8. mills23

    mills23 Android Expert

    Where is this method located please?
  9. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin'

    It seems Verizon patched the the simple 1-click motochopper method that the AT&T, Sprint, & T-Mobile version use, but a work around has been found. It seems that before you can run the root exploit, you need to flash a stock kernel in odin. Instructions can be found here: http://www.sxtpdevelopers.com/showthread.php?t=256
  10. birenregmi

    birenregmi Lurker

    I am also trying to root for a long time ago..... Bt finally I decided to no root because I easily can disable app which I never used and it's start automatically and drain battery power...... Tq for community who refer me so..... Proud to be here with you all.....
  11. BzB

    BzB Android Enthusiast

    confirmed this method works. it's not completely clear cut, especially the process of updating su prior to flashing back to the stock kernel, but it works and you are able to retain root.

    the one click root methods have spoiled people when compared to intimidating root methods from 'back in the day', but until one click root is available this method gets the job done.
  12. prerunnerseth

    prerunnerseth Android Enthusiast

    Root method works, but having an issue where 4G stays on with Wifi.
  13. prerunnerseth

    prerunnerseth Android Enthusiast

    Just had to freeze some VZ apps and it went away.
  14. mills23

    mills23 Android Expert

    Do i have to do the flash to do the root? All i want is root. No ROMs or anything, just wanna run a few apps that require root.
  15. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin'

    Yes, you have to do the kernel flash in Odin to downgrade the kernel to one that hasn't been patched to block the exploit. Once you are rooted and update the su binary, it is actually recommended that you flash back to the kernel that came with the phone to ensure that everything continues to work right. Doing so shouldn't affect your root unless you fail to update the su binary.
  16. mills23

    mills23 Android Expert

    Ok tooooo complicated for my little brain!! I guess i will have to wait for the one click!
  17. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin'

    Another one will probably come along sooner or later. The device has only been out for a day (a little more if you preordered), so the developers will need a little bit of time to find a new exploit or update the current one.
    mills23 likes this.
  18. CWSchrad83

    CWSchrad83 Lurker

    I figure I will eventually,mostly for the wireless tether. I figure bloatware aside I can hold out longer than the Spectrum,that was a unbearable.
  19. Janth

    Janth Newbie

    Man some of that is pretty intimidating, especially when you're talking about potentially bricking a $600 piece of hardware

    Someone should make a YouTube video going through step by step how to complete this process so we can see it for ourselves
  20. mills23

    mills23 Android Expert

    Do you guys think that there will be a fix for the shutter speed in root somewhere?
  21. markdmac

    markdmac Well-Known Member

    I rooted mine and also installed CWM so I could do Nandroid Backups. Although there are a lot of little steps, they are all rather simple to follow, so anyone waiting for a one click is waiting for little reason.

    Here are the steps I followed to root and to install CWM.

    Step 1 - Preparation

    Download and Install Samsung Official USB Drivers - Link (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...ng_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones_v1.5.14.0.exe)
    Download and extract ODIN v3.07 - Link (http://samsung-updates.com/Odin307.zip)
    Download the VRUAMD2 Prerelease Kernel - Link (http://open1your1eyes0.cnlson.com/SCH-I545_MD2_423399_Kernel.tar.md5)
    Download the VRUAMDK Stock Kernel - Link (http://open1your1eyes0.cnlson.com/SCH-I545_MDK_562219_Kernel.tar.md5)
    Download and extract the Motochopper Root Exploit Tool - Link (http://open1your1eyes0.cnlson.com/motochopper-supersu.zip)

    Step 2 - Flashing VRUAMD2 Prerelease Kernel to remove Root block

    Boot phone into ODIN mode (power down, hold in down volume, home & power)
    Flash the VRUAMD2 Prerelease Kernel using ODIN v3.07 ***in PDA section only*** (See here for guide on flashing)
    Boot back to Android and verifying everything is still working and kernel has flashed successfully

    Step 3 - Rooting Your Device

    Verify in Security on your device that you have "Unknown sources" checked
    Verify in Developer options setting on your device that you have "USB debugging" checked
    Verify in Developer options setting on your device that you have "Verify apps via USB" unchecked
    Connect your phone to your computer and open "Run.bat" file from the location you have extracted motochopper to
    If successful, after your phone reboots, open SuperSU app and let the binary update itself to the latest ***IMPORTANT*** - You will loose root on the next step if you do not do this.
    Once complete, just open a root application and verify that is able to access root properly

    Step 4 - Restoring VRUAMDK Stock Kernel

    Boot phone into ODIN mode (power down, hold in down volume, home & power)
    Flash the VRUAMDK Stock Kernel using ODIN v3.07 ***in PDA section only*** (See here for guide on flashing)
    Boot back to Android and verifying everything is still working and kernel has flashed successfully
    After your phone boots back to Android, you should now be fully rooted and on the fully original stock firmware as the device came


    First download Loki files from here:
    Rwilco12's Android Repository - Downloads

    Unzip files, then push to phone with ADB (you have ADB in the motochopper-supersu directory from rooting, just open a command prompt int hat directory and type these commands):

    adb push loki_flash /data/local/tmp
    adb push recovery.lok /data/local/tmp

    Install Android Terminal Emulator from play store on phone

    In terminal emulator:
    Allow SuperSU Access
    cd /data/local/tmp
    chmod 755 *
    ./lok_flash recovery recovery.lok
    reboot recovery
  22. markdmac

    markdmac Well-Known Member

    Rooting only voids the software warranty and does not void hardware warranty if the hardware is defective. VZW tries to scare people about rooting, but as long as you can reflash back to stock then they can't even get you on the software side.
  23. jhawkkw

    jhawkkw Chinchillin'

    The thing to be careful about is that you can damage the hardware by rooting. Things such as overclocking can fry your motherboard, fast charge could fry your charging port, etc. If they can prove that rooting is the cause of hardware failure, they/the oem have the right to deny the warranty.
  24. 3ricG

    3ricG Well-Known Member

    How easy is it to unroot the s4 if something happens to it? I was going to root mine right away; but I don't like doing it if there isn't a clear path back to stock.

    Also, will I still be able to receive/install OTA updates when rooted? When I download/install OTAs for my Nexus 7, it removes root; and there were always warnings about installing OTAs on the Thunderbolt (my last phone). I don't really have a problem with this, but I might not root my device until some more updates come out (since this phone is still relatively new).
  25. markdmac

    markdmac Well-Known Member

    Agreed, but as I stated, if there is a hardware defect, then they can't deny you. I root so I can mod my phone and remove bloatware, I don't overclock. Replacing images for my battery status isn't going to damage my phone. ;)

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