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Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by ISASoilder, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. ISASoilder

    ISASoilder Well-Known Member
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    With the Iphone 4 and 5 when it come out on Big Red will we See Fascinate 2 with orion proceesors and light or will they stick to that Werid designed LTE Phone the brong out at CES?????
     



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  2. ISASoilder

    ISASoilder Well-Known Member
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    oops i ment LTE lol
     
  3. jinwons

    jinwons Android Expert

    Galaxy S2 will be announced in MWC soon in Spain. Now all the sources point to kind of semi-official spec like 1.0~1.2Ghz Orion dual core processor, 2.3 gingerbread on board, 4.3~4.5" super amoled plus screen, 1Gb of RAM, NFC sensor. But I think they will put out GSM versions first and CDMA later like last year. So we don't know when it will launch on Verizon, hopefully not too late after iPhone5.

    The other thing I am looking at is whether Samsung will do away with RFS file system in this phone finally or not. If they still go with RFS, would it be still fast enough with better processor, memory and OS? If so, rooting will make this one super charged rocket maybe...
     
  4. nitsuj17

    nitsuj17 Android Expert

    given that samsung doesnt use rfs in the nexus s (theres still debate as to whether gb is native ext4 or yaffs or something) i would doubt they d use it in any device they launch in the post 2.2 world...their upcoming 2.2 phoens (galaxy s refreshes) all use rfs though
     
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  5. ISASoilder

    ISASoilder Well-Known Member
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    What is this rfs that you speak off.
     
  6. davidnmegan6907

    davidnmegan6907 Android Expert

  7. nitsuj17

    nitsuj17 Android Expert

    Essentially its the phones filesystem....and far far far from optimal
     
  8. n0ct3m

    n0ct3m Android Enthusiast

    In all honesty, not being an Apple product will be one thing they have going for them.
     
  9. PSkeptic

    PSkeptic Android Expert

    Again, I have to ask, what would be the optimal file system for the Samsung MoviNAND installed on the Fascinate?

    I'll hazard that the same company that makes the NAND most likely engineered the filesystem to be optimal with it.

    Don't get me wrong, I love open standards, but ext3, ext4, FAT, NFS, and most other file systems actually tear up NAND pretty fast (Due to heavy re-write).
     
  10. nitsuj17

    nitsuj17 Android Expert

    ext4 works significantly better and as long as you dont plan on using the phone for 2+ years its not an issue (or shouldnt be)

    samsung uses either yaffs or ext4 in the nexus s (i forget) and that phone stock smokes all of the other galaxy s phones despite it having virtually the same hardware
     
  11. tonyb81

    tonyb81 Android Enthusiast

    And one thing they have going against them.
     
  12. PSkeptic

    PSkeptic Android Expert

    ext4, because of the journaling, with greatly shorten NAND life. Remember, NAND is generally only good for 10,000 writes.

    So, yes, ext4 is faster. But, ext4 is write-intensive. It appears to be faster, because the write is placed in RAM first, then written to disk. Followed by the journaling update.

    Also, remember the lifetimes of any device is "Mean time between failures". This means, that some chips will go at 5 years, a few of them 11 years, and plenty of them will go in a year.

    I mean, come on. I've read at least two people on Phandroid here who can not load certain recoveries because they have too many bad blocks.

    Yes, the Nexus uses open file systems (ext4). I'll leave the exercise to you to figure out why a Nexus phone would use stock Android settings, with no proprietary optimizations.
     
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  13. nitsuj17

    nitsuj17 Android Expert


    fair enough. several thousand galaxy s users (and 99.9% of every galaxy s dev) are plenty happy with voodoo (ext4) on their phones though :)
     
  14. PSkeptic

    PSkeptic Android Expert

    I'll agree it's fast, and will work for plenty of people. However, given the results of extreme writes on a NAND device, I can see why the company who would be responsible for warranty work would decide to sacrifice performance for reliability.

    Now, the genius move, from both sides of the bottle would be JFS. It's open, unless you are reselling. Then, you license from IBM. Samsung would have a great file system (The journal only updates the b-tree), and we would have an open-architecture file system.
     
  15. jinwons

    jinwons Android Expert

    Good informative discussions on flash memory and file systems. I appreciate.
    I learned that Nexus S has iNAND type internal memory from SanDisk. So that probably works better with ext4 file system in 2.3. I guess Samsung will go this way for Galaxy S2 and later models.
     
  16. PSkeptic

    PSkeptic Android Expert

    While I'm not sure which brand/type of NAND is better; I'd hazard Samsung will stay with Samsung engineered NAND :)
     
  17. jinwons

    jinwons Android Expert

    Maybe. I just hope Samsung does something better than MoviNAND plus RFS combination in the new generation of Galaxy this year. Looks like we will soon know about it.
     
  18. suXor

    suXor Well-Known Member

    And with 2.2, I have noticed little to no issue with the RFS formatted NAND.
     
  19. nitsuj17

    nitsuj17 Android Expert

    its significantly better yes.....however i still wish verizon wasnt a pita and would get dev phones like the nexus s...i mean we were promised the n1 originally...until they jerked us around and gave us the droid incredible instead
     
  20. s44

    s44 Android Enthusiast

    JFS causes corruption. A bunch of i9000 folks tried it.
     
  21. PSkeptic

    PSkeptic Android Expert

    Really? How did it cause the corruption?

    Not nitpicking you, I'd love to see it though :) JFS has been rock solid for me for about 10 years now :)
     
  22. saps

    saps Extreme Android User

    Maybe suxor can speak to this [maybe not] but Im most curious to see what SGS2 is going to be sporting
     
  23. s44

    s44 Android Enthusiast

    Deals poorly with pulling/running down the battery.
     
  24. PSkeptic

    PSkeptic Android Expert

    Really? The journal is atomic...
     
  25. suXor

    suXor Well-Known Member

    No clue at this point. The non-US markets are less sensitive about this it seems. THe US models may get something else. It really depends on the performance of 2.3+ and the memory vendor when it get's benchmarked internally and we evaluate the longevity of the memory. Perhaps if we used memory that had better error correction or block recovery, the use of a more aggressive file system would be tolerated. QA is a bitch :)
     
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