Alright so im grandfathered in to the early upgrade thing but whenever I talk to a Vzw rep they seem to make it sound like it is worthless. I get the feeling they are telling me that because who ever is above them is pressuring customers not to use it. The way I understood the upgrade was like this: buy just a phone: Pay full retail. Buy the phone with a 2 year plan: pay the sibsidized price of around $200-$300 Early upgrade: $50 rebate off of subsidized price Full upgrade: $100 rebate Verizon wireless reps are trying to tell me that early upgrade gets u the subsidized prices, and full upgrade gets you a 100 off. And that if you dont qualify for an upgrade, they don't care if you sign a new two year contract, you pay full retail anyway. Are they just jocking my chain here???