Will the Eris be able to run 2.2?

Brainfart · May 15, 2010

Just as stated I haven't seen anywhere that the Eris can actually handle 2.2 or not. From what little I have read about 2.2 with the 450% speed increase that sounds very inviting. I know that we are just finally getting around receiving the 2.1 OTA but this has been on my mind ever sense I read about the performance increase.I have seen mentions that it cant handle it because of the CPU but I'm not sure. Can anyone clear this up for me that actually knows if the Eris can handle 2.2?

JustAnotherNoob · May 15, 2010

From what I've read around the forums, the Eris can't run 2.2. Couldn't tell you why, though.

Hercules · May 15, 2010

We may see some rooted phones running aspects of 2.2. I doubt the Eris will get an OTA 2.2 but who knows. Just enjoy 2.1.

ral2108 · May 15, 2010

There is no reason 2.2 would not run on Eris. I believe the only issue is if we will receive an official release.

EKG · May 15, 2010

I have read it posted around on here that the Eris hardware would not be able to handle 2.2

srmccoy · May 15, 2010

Can people making claims as to whether or not the Eris can run 2.2 post the threads that make them feel one way or the other? If not, it's basically misinformation.

omfgwtflawl · May 15, 2010

The processor is too slow, so no.

wildtouch83 · May 15, 2010

omfgwtflawl said:
The processor is too slow, so no.

is that really it? I mean, in comparison to the Moto Droid, which I can only assume would be able to handle Froyo, the processor speed is negligible. 528MHz for the Eris and 500MHz for the Moto.

But, they are different manufacturers. ARM vs. Qualcomm.

I'm just speculating but I bet it would be possible just not optimal.

thenestor · May 15, 2010

I think the point of 2.2 isn't to make the phone more animated and such, but rather the opposite: It's supposed to be a slimmed-down version so that every phone can run the same OS.

The CPU-intensive apps are supposed to be split off from the OS, so that for instance, only phones that can reasonably support Live Wallpapers will get Live Wallpapers. It's similar to how they handled Google Earth: It's not built into 2.1; you download it as an app if your phone supports it.

If they're really embracing that goal moving forward, then I think it's likely that Google will encourage HTC (and the carriers) to officially send out 2.2 for all users.

Haxcid · May 15, 2010

wildtouch83 said:
is that really it? I mean, in comparison to the Moto Droid, which I can only assume would be able to handle Froyo, the processor speed is negligible. 528MHz for the Eris and 500MHz for the Moto.

But, they are different manufacturers. ARM vs. Qualcomm.

I'm just speculating but I bet it would be possible just not optimal.

Apples and oranges, both are fruit but... It is like comparing an Intel P4 1.5Ghz to a Core 1.5Ghz, sure they both run at 1.5 but one is vastly superior to the other.

Apple's iPad A4 SoC: Faster than the Nexus One's Snapdragon? - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

while not the exact processors in question, it conveys the relative point. I am more excited about hearing Intel is looking to jump into the smart phone processor market. That should really shake things up.

Demache · May 15, 2010

2.2, from what what I can understand, is not an entirely new OS. So it shouldn't be too much more demanding. So in technicality, it should be able to run 2.2, since I think it would just be 2.1 with more optimization, new features and such. 3.0+ is where we would run into problems however, since I'm sure that's when they will start leaving old phones behind in favor of features that require more power.

Hercules · May 15, 2010

The reason 2.2 is so fast is they are running JIT Dalvik executables or something very similar. There is a rooted Eris Rom that his these and it makes the phone much faster. I am not sure if it is exactly the same but similar in nature.

FredNitz · May 15, 2010

In the first place, 2.2 has not been released so any discussion about it is speculative. I would be inclined to wait until Google releases 2.2 before making judgements about the hardware requirements.

Crow · May 15, 2010

wildtouch83 said:
is that really it? I mean, in comparison to the Moto Droid, which I can only assume would be able to handle Froyo, the processor speed is negligible. 528MHz for the Eris and 500MHz for the Moto.

But, they are different manufacturers. ARM vs. Qualcomm.

I'm just speculating but I bet it would be possible just not optimal.

1. ARM does not Mfr CPUs. All they do is design and sell the plans for companies like Samsung, qualcomm, ect to Mfr.

2. The 550mhz cortex cpu in the Moto droid is over twice as fast as the 528mhz Arm11 cpu in the Eris.

alprazolam · May 16, 2010

thenestor said:
I think the point of 2.2 isn't to make the phone more animated and such, but rather the opposite: It's supposed to be a slimmed-down version so that every phone can run the same OS.

The CPU-intensive apps are supposed to be split off from the OS, so that for instance, only phones that can reasonably support Live Wallpapers will get Live Wallpapers. It's similar to how they handled Google Earth: It's not built into 2.1; you download it as an app if your phone supports it.

If they're really embracing that goal moving forward, then I think it's likely that Google will encourage HTC (and the carriers) to officially send out 2.2 for all users.

+1 for me. Google has stated that they want less OS fragmentation and that they also plan to slim down even their core components just as is stated above.

OfTheDamned · May 16, 2010

Yep, Google's goal is to eliminate the OS fragmentation as nestor already said. With that in mind everything should get 2.2 in some form. The Eris may lack some features, like live wallpaper is not available now, but it should still run. Remember all the talk that said 2.1 would never work? Anybody know how that turned out?

Crow · May 16, 2010

No way Live wallpapers will run on the Eris. No way what so ever. The CPU in the Eris does not have the FPU power to process them. Live wallpapers would completely cripple the phone.

Demache · May 16, 2010

Crow said:
No way Live wallpapers will run on the Eris. No way what so ever. The CPU in the Eris does not have the FPU power to process them. Live wallpapers would completely cripple the phone.

Your really funny.

BlueDC2 · May 16, 2010

Crow said:
No way Live wallpapers will run on the Eris. No way what so ever. The CPU in the Eris does not have the FPU power to process them. Live wallpapers would completely cripple the phone.

But in all seriousness, if it is just a slimmed down, optimized 2.1 with a few extra features (full flash support), I see no reason why the eris couldn't run it.

Crow · May 16, 2010

BlueDC2 said:
But in all seriousness, if it is just a slimmed down, optimized 2.1 with a few extra features (full flash support), I see no reason why the eris couldn't run it.

Im sorry, its just not going to happen. The Eris is not capable of running live wallpapers, there is no way it will run flash 10 since its FPU power is weak and it does not have the NEON instruction set in the CPU. You wanted to know if the Eris will get 2.2 and I am telling you. No it will not because its too slow to run many of the new features. Im sorry if this upsets you but its still the facts.

wildtouch83 · May 16, 2010

Crow said:
Im sorry, its just not going to happen. The Eris is not capable of running live wallpapers,

. Im sorry if this upsets you but its still the facts.

And I hate to break it to you, but, this is not the facts. Plenty of rooted Eris owners have run live wallpapers. Some of them are more resource intensive than others.

Capable? Yes.

Optimal? Probably not.

Crow · May 16, 2010

wildtouch83 said:
And I hate to break it to you, but, this is not the facts. Plenty of rooted Eris owners have run live wallpapers. Some of them are more resource intensive than others.

Capable? Yes.

Optimal? Probably not.

Im talking about running them in reality not theory. Its too slow and the battery will get drained due to the CPU being maxed out.

wildtouch83 · May 16, 2010

Crow said:
Im talking about running them in reality not theory. Its too slow and the battery will get drained due to the CPU being maxed out.

sure...if you never let your phone sleep and you watched the live wallpaper all day long, it would certainly be a strain on the battery life.

my favorite live wallpaper...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrGVAuOx4Sk&feature=player_embedded

Crow · May 16, 2010

Ya and look how slow the phone is....look how laggy and jumpy the screen swipe was. Not only that but you had to turn off Sense UI.

Its just not going to work and this is why it is not included in the 2.1 update.

yeahright · May 16, 2010

Crow said:
Im talking about running them in reality not theory. Its too slow and the battery will get drained due to the CPU being maxed out.

I use live wallpapers on my rooted Eris daily runs just fine.

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