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Discussion in 'Computers' started by ocnbrze, Oct 6, 2012.

  1. ZeroGeined

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    Well I didn't mind the interface of Vista, but I didn't like Vista because it took forever to copy files from one location to another, and updates and service packs never really fixed that it seemed to me.
     
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    From what I remember and read about with the launch of Vista, there was a particular problem with sluggish performance on low-end PCs. Think OEMs were forced into pre-installing Vista onto new PCs, that were really supposed to be running XP, "Designed for XP". Things like 512MB RAM, Pentium 4s, and certain budget Intel integrated GPUs couldn't support Aero Glass properly. Which were fine for XP, but underpowered for Vista. This is not really an issue with Windows 8, because any PC that can run Vista and 7 properly, should be able to run 8 OK.

    AFAIK Vista(Longhorn) was actually two or three years late, and XP had been around for 5-6 years and was very established. Some users were downgrading Vista machines to XP, and certain manufacturers would even provide XP install DVDs and licenses on request. That's why there's such a legacy of XP now, especially here.

    Don't know about anywhere else, but I've just not seen much of 8 at all yet. Apart from my own experiences with it, which I've already posted about, and what I've seen in the tech news and on blogs. Couple of days ago was in the local Suning, which is like a Chinese version of Best Buy or Currys in the UK. There wasn't a single Win 8 PC in sight, and no in-store promotion for 8 either. Most of the desktops, laptops and all-in-ones were Win 7 Home Basic. Except for one area with UbuntuKylin PCs and laptops, that had prominent Ubuntu branding, signage and promotion. NO mention of the word "Linux" or images of Tux anywhere though. There was Macs as well, which are in their own special "VIP" area.
     
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    Vista wasn
     
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    That was Microsoft wasn't it? Telling the OEMs that they must pre-install Vista, and not XP, even though those budget machines were really under-specced to run Vista properly. And then XP was only allowed to be pre-installed on netbooks, provided they only had a maximum of 1GB RAM. Except in emerging markets like China apparently, where XP netbooks frequently had 2GB RAM.
     
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    In a way, but it's nothing different from any other MS release. As soon as the version goes RTM, the partners must ship all products with the current OS. The only loopholes I know of are to buy old inventory from the grey market or to have a corporate account with a major vendor who, for consistencies sake are permitted to sell old OS versions to enterprise accounts.
     
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    That's unfortunate for some people. Are they able to sell computers with no operating system on there, and let the user choose which OS to install?
     
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    If I understand them correctly, the OEM agreements between the manufacturers and Microsoft state that shipping PCs must include a copy of the current OS.
     
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    Wonder how Google with their Chromebooks got around that? I think that's a good thing, buy your hardware and install the supported OS of your choice. Man, that would put MS in a downward spiral...
     
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    Not really. Take into consideration all of the custom computer shops. Most of those shops will recommend Windows but generally they will install the operating system of your choice.
     
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    If I were to open a Computer shop, I would install Ubuntu because its widely used, and easy to understand. I would also "Fix" Windows Computers by installing Ubuntu, (But only if they agree, and know the limitations with Ubuntu)
     
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    But that would be counter-productive to your business seeing as how windows is the most widely used operating system. I'm actually struggling to figure out Ubuntu so that I can customize ROMs for my phone. It took me almost a week just to get to the point that I could use adb. And I've been working on computers since I was 10.

    Just to bring up some facts regarding your claims, Linux operating systems actually only comprise of 1.21% of all operating systems being used right now. Windows XP and Windows 7 together make up about 83% of the market.
     
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    ZeroGeined wrote
    If you include servers Linux/Unix penetration is significantly higher.
     
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    If you include Android it's far higher.

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    I agree that if you include servers, Linux/UNIX usage is much higher, but I'm talking about your average consumer computer. This far Linux/UNIX usage is primarily in the server market and when you include mobile operating systems, the Android OS is significantly more popular on a wider range of devices.
     
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    All true, Linux in the server world and mobile computing world is beyond useful. However linux never really caught on the desktop, but is recently gaining attraction.
     
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    I helped get us off track, so I'll try to fix that, but I won't enforce that.

    My opinions follow.

    For whatever reason, Windows won because it developed the killer app suite - Microsoft Office.

    It proliferated because Windows and Office became the most-pirated software ever. That was a holdover from the CP/M days when everyone stole WordStar, had no support or documentation, and spread all sorts of ridiculous myths about it founded on ignorance.

    With GUIs, you don't need much documentation. With internet search, you need none.

    I've been in organization after organization - did you get Linux? No, I need Word, I need Excel.

    Then came Microsoft enterprise support and training. Their Server has always been a joke technically, but when you can hire people easily who understand it and can maintain it, it's smart to go with it.

    I believe I have Windows will always dominate the desktop for those reasons - the killer office suite and IT support.

    I also agree that the Metro interface is the New Coke. Good for the company but not what the entrenched consumers want.
     
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    I like linux. The model is right. But there's plenty of work to be done. Distros need to work together and make a solid generic linux, with multiple styles and features. What I mean by this is each application should work across all the linux platforms. Sure we can use python and sort of use java. But we are one platform! Why can not the applications work across all distros as they should?!
     
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    Well, I should get to continue my windows 8 experience tonight as the Lenovo is supposed to return this afternoon. On a side note, if considering a gaming laptop? Keep in mind my 2 week + wait for warranty repair on our Y400. I consider that unacceptable turnaround !

    I like Linux and have played around with it extensively over the years, yet there are no Linux boxes in my home now. Even now, it's pretty far away from being average consumer friendly.
     
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    If anyone wants to buy Windows 8, buy it at Newegg, use coupon code EMCXRVW239 for $20 off. Its a coupon I got in email today. It may only work once. Expires 5/27.
     
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    I believe what lunatic meant is that, if you want to be an official windows OEM (and thus obtain your cheaper-per-unit volume windows licence rather than buying individual retail licences) then you agree to ship all of your windows PCs with the most recent OS at the time.

    There's no inherent restriction on all PCs dictating what OS they have to ship with.
     
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    Yes.

    Apple does the same thing with shipping units, although because they have their own stores and there is so little cosmetic change between versions that many don't even realize it. The exception was when they first switched to OS X. There was a similar outcry in the Apple camps.

    And Dell does (or at least they did) offer some units with Ubuntu as the shipping OS.

    I often buy servers with no OS and chose which is best suited for the job. MS Volume Licensing can get me one copy of a server OS as cheaply as if I purchased it bundled and it isn't then restricted to the processor. Or I can throw CentOS or another Linux based package on it.
     
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