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    I dont think you will get a response from OTD on this matter. I believe OTD has a bit too much class from what I have read of her posts to jump in on what it obviously a taunt. If you are going to put some definitive statement like "YES, you need a task killer app for the Eris. PERIOD." and use numbers like %100 you had better provide some proof of why this is true or at least some credentials of why you are qualified to make this statement (I sure am not). One thing I like about OTD and others that have voiced out on this subject (which is a big one when you think about it) is that everyone is encouraged to try it with and without task killers to see which they like. New owners will jump in on this thread and believe that their phone will not work properly without 3rd party apps installed. Even Vz reps are believing the hype a bit too much and telling people to get task killers immed., without trying the phone as it is. I have tried it both ways and am using the back button to exit apps now as well as managing my wifi, gps, and bluetooth conn. only when needed and finding the device working about the same as with a task killer. The end result on my end is, yes a task killer may help free up memory to an extent but other background processes fill in that freed up memory and tasks that are killed, most of the time, restart within minutes. Final conclusion is not a huge difference either way which is a long stretch from "YES, you need a task killer app for the Eris. PERIOD." and %100. As far as OTD getting pissed and jumping in hot on this, don't count on it.
     

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    Wow! I have to admit that I am thoroughly impressed by all the facts and figures you show here in your post. All that solid scientific data you used to prove that everyone everywhere must have a task killer if they aren't running the Nexus One. Oh..wait....that's right, you didn't show any facts, figures or proof of any kind that someone MUST have a task killer on their phone. I was so impressed by the big bold "Yes you do" and the words proven and confirmed that I forgot to pay attention. The 100% was REALLY impressive too. :rolleyes:

    Seriously? Why do you care if anyone uses a task killer? Are you apart of the task killer union? Are you a task killer developer? Is it like the movie It's a Wonderful Life, does an angel get their wings every time a task killer is downloaded? Really, what is it that makes you join a forum today and start running off at the mouth about stuff like this?

    I did notice you only posted this in here too. Why not in the Sprint Hero, Hero, G1, Mytouch, Cliq, Moment or Magic forums. None of them are equal to the Nexus One. Shouldn't they be privileged to the wealth of knowledge you have to offer? I'm sure they would love to hear some of your ramblings about this or to put it more simply....go troll someplace else.
     
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    hmm maybe he has an eris....:D thats all i can come up with :p
     
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    Hmmmmm that might explain it, but I am still doubtful.:p
     
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    of the damned is funny as hell :)

    i have three phones(eris, moto droid, and palm pre)
    as far as the droids go...I do use the Atk but im confused as to the use

    I've read some ppl say its bad for your phone and then some say it's good
     
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    I agree...

    Well, so much for that theory. Good response, though!!
     
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    Just one.
     
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    I used advanced task killer for 2 months and then removed it last week. I see no difference at all!
     
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    Don't be confused. The truth is that it's 100% bad for your phone AND 100% good for your phone. You just choose which 100% you want to follow and all is well in life. :D
     
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    Haha. Wasn't he the same one who was ranting about a lawsuit because of the YouTube app?

    So does mine.

    I read her thread about the task killers and haven't been using one for over a week. No lag or anything. Battery life seems unchanged as well.

    So no. You really don't need one.
     
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    If you download no apps ever, you definitely don't need one.

    Without better built in memory management (like on Android 2.0+), someone who's downloaded 100+ apps might very well benefit from a task killer.

    There is no way to say you NEED one, ever. You don't even need this phone. But to get even REASONABLE battery life, and avoid excessive lag, you DEFINITELY need one if you are running the wrong apps.

    My examples have been listed before.

    To start with, part of the battery saving advice to leave GPS Off is somewhat mislead. GPS isn't going to use battery if there isn't an app opened trying to use it.

    For instance, your phone restarts. You have Google Maps, ShopSavvy, and Aloqa installed. In the first 5 minutes of startup, just take a glance at your notification bar, and look at how long the GPS icon stays there. And as long as your phone is turned on. This is an instance of wasted battery.

    SportsTap, Aloqa, wardrive, sometimes Browser (if you have the wrong website open) will use Mobile Network, Processor, and Memory. This means both your phone will lag, at random, and that your phone will chew through battery, much faster than normal.

    How do you prevent, even just these few examples, from hampering your phone use? Kill All Tasks when you start up the phone. Even if you don't REGULARLY use a task killer, or think that one is necessary on a daily basis, it would be hard to argue against "it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it".

    If you have the wrong programs installed, and you want to avoid lag and excessive battery drain, then "YES, you need a task killer app for the Eris. PERIOD."

    If you have paid attention to what apps you have, turn off settings that you don't need, and even configure the apps you DO have conservatively (like OfTheDamned's situation), then NO, you don't need a task manager.

    I, VERY much "need" a task manager, or I experience all of the previously mentioned phone usage inconveniences (lag, fast battery drain, etc). I think it's worth keeping a basic one installed, even if you don't use it/run it.

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    Does astro do the same thing a task killer does? I am assuming it does, when you kill the apps in tools?
     
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    Many, like Astro, do have a built in task manager/app killer, yes.

    Good to keep around, IMO.

    I use ES File Explorer, and the very well integrated sister application, ES Task Manager. Have to ignore a lot of com.whatever.whatever processes, but you figure that out pretty quickly when you hit 'Home' and see the hTC logo all over again, and again, and again - lol.
     
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    Mine runs well without any talk killer as well.

    It does seem to be controversial, though; we're seeing advocates of task killers posting here and there (not to mention the hyperbolic first post here).

    I just don't believe in acquiring something for the device that I have as yet seen no need for.
     
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    I may be a little too trusting on the subject, but IMHO wouldn't the developers/HTC put in a option to kill tasks if it was a big problem? I mean their target audience is not techno geeks who now the ins and outs of Linux/Android, they are normal end users who just want their phone to work and work right, which would mean the phone should be pretty much idiot proof to begin with, which I would assume (I know you make an ass out of u and me) means managing the apps and the memory to make it a usable/workable product for the average consumer.
    WinMo has the option to view the open process and close them, if it was such a big issue in android, why would the developer not include the option...again I may be far to trusting in the developers to provide all the necessary tools for the phone to work out of the box, but a business model of providing a product with only limited tools to make it work is not a very good business model if you ask me.

    Side note....I would trust OTD and Caddyman, both who have made positive and educated contributions to the is forum than someone with only 5 posts and has nothing to back it up....thank you guys and gals
     
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    Seems that way.

    Of course useful apps do come along that address issues the device/software developers did not choose to address.

    I don't think task killers fall into that catagory with the Eris, though. I could be wrong, but it is explained rather well in OTD's special post about it.
     
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    i think 2.0 may have a task manager built in....
     
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    If that's true, the devs may feel that a task manager is needed by some users.

    Hopefully it will be configurable.
     
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    Its not JUST about loading apps in and out or memory. When the apps you ALREADY have loaded into memory need MORE memory this reallocation cripples performance and again causes more LAG. This is easy to understand and it is a fundamental fact of how the Eris operates and the root cause of some serious lag when the phone is low on memory.

    Basically there are two types of lag on the Eris.

    1. Lag due to the slow CPU which causes delays in bringing up menus, scrolling of many types, HTC MP3 player has some high lag due to the slow CPU when switching songs especially when using the widget, the SERIOUS dial pad lag that everyone is complaining about, ect....

    2. And the lag we get from memory reallocation when your memory is low (=<30mb) which is easily solvable with task killer apps.
     
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    No, you don't.

    When I used a task manager, I never came CLOSE to hitting 30 MB even when I was incessantly killing tasks. Now I just use the back button to exit programs. My battery life is over 24 hours with moderate usage every day and my Eris rarely lags (and when it does, I clear cache out of my largest programs and it's fine).

    Use them if you want, but they're more trouble than they're worth.
     
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    Still no link(s) to data to back up your claims, Newsradio.

    It's a shame, because I find what you're saying to be interesting.
     

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