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    :D

    There's a "subscribed threads" area in your user control panel ("cp") up there on the bar, to the left.
     

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    thanks!
     
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    That is EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!

    Thank you for posting it.
     
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    Ok, I have to admit it. I starting using TaskPanel Lite the other day. What I know so far is what's been stated.

    When you phone gets at or below 30MB, you're toast. What I also know is apps start popping up for no apparent reason. Lots of em. I went into TaskPanel and saw 10 apps open and I didn't open them.

    I've used TaskPanel before and it was really great. However after a few updates it sucked. I don't know why these developers keep screwing with stuff that isn't broken.

    TaskPanel exit stage right. So I went without for a few weeks. You know with the Eris, it does some funky stuff. It will be fine for days and then all of a sudden it sucks wind. And it always seems to have that intermittent lag, for no apparent reason. There is no set time, app usage that makes the lag occur.

    The other day I saw TaskPanel Lite had been released. In my latest experience with it there is no battery drain, there is no widget. As soon as your phone goes to sleep it kills whatever you have it set to kill. It does not mess with sense either.

    It's very easy to setup an use. And you don't have to be a genius to use it either. I have changed my tune. I feel it's a needed evil.

    So there you have it. The confessions of a task killer addict.
     
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    Thank you Ryobi I was not aware of the lite version of TaskPanel. It sounds excellent and I will try it.

    Finally everyone is starting to see that you NEED these app killers. There is no way around this crippling memory reallocation issue once you reach 30mb. I just wish there was a way to prevent unwanted apps from starting up and allocating certain apps to be removed from memory once they are closed.
     
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    Explain to me why I need one if I'm not experiencing any problems.
     
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    OMG you have PROVEN what I have been saying the ENTIRE time. Just look at the log! Look how LONG it takes to free up memory!

    After you reach 30mb and under you can SEE the memory reallocation being done and just LOOK at the times!!!!

    Im getting constant memory reallcation processes running 150ms - 600ms per reallocation once im in the dreaded 30mb and under zone while using the phones web browser and even simple apps. This means that every reallocation takes almost 1/2 second on average and when looking at the log the number of reallocations makes it VERY clear that the lag is caused buy this EXACT process once you add them all up. LOLz!!!

    This fit PERFECTLY in what what I have been saying all along and flies in the FACE of OftheDamned

    Thank you for posting this. You have given me the tool for proving PROOF of this memory reallocation issue.
     
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    Hey, if you're cool, I am too. No one says you have to do anything. If we think it helps our phone run better and we feel better because of it, what's the harm?

    I'm not here to explain why anyone should use a task killer, nor do I care. I'm just stating my own personal preference.
     
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    My post was directed toward newsradio. He/she is saying things like "everyone needs" an app killer. I don't know how much memory is being used, and I don't care. As long as I don't have any problems, I don't think I "need" one.
     
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    Kind of how I feel, too. Seems pretty ludicrous for someone to spend far more time ranting about the need to use a task killer, than they could possibly ever hope to save by using one. :rolleyes:
     
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    Guys, When using the phone with the Web Browser Im even getting 1038ms (1 second) at times for memory reallcation of even less than 1mb.

    There is no questioning this anymore. The memory reallocation process has been confirmed 100% as the issue which is causing the lag at 30mb and under.

    Everyone who was attacking before should all now apologize.
     
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    Seriously? You started all this garbage to somehow prove me wrong? I am really flattered that you find me that important. I also think that finding a life might be in order.:rolleyes:

    Everything I have said from the very beginning has been about task killers not being a necessity for everyone. I don't believe that I have ever said that nobody needs a task killer or that they should be outlawed. I actually think that I have told many people that a task killer might be good for them if they have to run apps that are buggy or cause problems.

    I love the little qualifier you have added in to your argument. Saying everyone and throwing in the below 30 mb is just too funny to me. It makes me laugh every time you say it. I really do question you complaining about 200ms being a problem though. Most of my times are in the 100ms to 250ms range. We are talking about a quarter to half a second here. It takes most people longer that that to actually type out the word second.

    Since you have somehow decided that you need to prove me wrong, why this is about me I have no idea, I challenge you to list all the apps you are using and show everyone why you are below 30 mb of memory. I also want to know how often you clear your cache and how you exit applications. If you want to prove me wrong then prove me wrong.
     
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    In your post, that was all that was truly needed to be said to that person. Good job.

    The rest is stuff that will fall on a deaf ear, I'm nearly certain.
     
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    You are probably right. He has not replied to a single one of my comments and I doubt he will now. I still find it incredibly odd that someone who has such a problem with me has yet to actually say anything to me.
     
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    I don' have any task killer or manager. I have not downloaded any applications either. Wait... I don;t have Eris (yet) .

    But seriously, I am just trying to learn as much as I can before committing to Eris.
    Peter
     
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    A bit of a trolling personality seems to have emerged in this fellow around the forums. I have not the ability to take him seriously about much at all, so I just used "ignore" in CP.

    I hate doing that because information is what the forums are about, along with some whimsy here and there :p. And even folks who seem negative at first can turn out to be sources of info.
     
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    *Quickly runs to the CP with this new revelation*
     
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    Correct, when you're sitting there doing nothing or very little with the phone the memory reallocation times are small since the phone isnt doing much it does not need more memory. Once you start to run an app that requires a dynamic range of memory (like the web browser) you will see these reallocation processes increase in frequency and increase in time it takes to allocate. I have measured even 1038ms (1 second) for a SINGLE memory reallocation to take plase while using the web browser. These reallocation times become high and frequent when multitasking as well for obvious reasons.

    Its over, its aaaall over.... Now that we have UNDENIABLE PROOF please stop posting about how you dont need task killer apps because android is linux based and reallocates memory as needed for I and some of the others here have proven that you DO indeed need a task killer app running for that EXACT reason, to avoid the reallocation process.

    PERIOD.
     
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    This is what you'll see in the thread instead of the person's postings:

    newsradio This message is hidden because newsradio is on your ignore list.
     
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    Ok, I don't intend to get into the argument of whether someone needs one or not, I am just curious as to why my phone auto launches apps that I have never, nor ever do intend to use?

    For example, I just brought up ATK and it shows Mail running. I don't even have it configured, as I use the GMail app. But I have that set to not notify and not auto-sync, so even if the Gmail app used the Mail app's subsystem, why would it be launching?

    Then, I went to download an app from the marketplace. When done, I launched ATK again (nothing was done between the 2nd paragraph up there and downloading an app), now Voice Dialer is running?! Again, I've never used it, so why in the hell would it be auto launched?

    Anyone have any words of wisdom on this?

    Thanks,
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    Well, I guess that one second can be a loooong time for some men.

    Seriously though, do you actually read anything I write or do you just go into cave man mode and only understand "task killer bad"? Once again you have failed to prove anything. You still have not decided to man up and take my challenge. It still stands BTW. Also, it is hard for something to be undeniable when someone is in fact denying it....which I am.

    Saying that everyone has to have an app on their phone is like saying that everyone has to have a pet at home. I could provide tons of facts on the health benefits of having a pet, but if you don't want one then what does it matter? People will use whatever they want to use on their phone. If they get to a point where lag is a problem then they may try out a task killer. Otherwise they may find that their phone runs just fine without one.

    The one real question I ask you is: What the hell makes you care if someone has a task killer or not? Without answering that, all your posts are worthless.

    Oh yeah, one more thing.......You don't really need a task killer because Android is Linux based and reallocates memory on its own, IF you are operating the phone properly and don't try overloading it with a bunch of poorly written garbage apps.....PERIOD! LOL Better? :p
     
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    Newsradio, no offense, but don't you think it's kind of ridiculous that you are making a point to go out of your way to basically call someone on the internet an imbacile. I don't know you, nor OTD, but I have to say that it is quite childish and ludicrous to target an individual you don't know to make them look like an idiot. You are making an ass of yourself. Just the facts please.

    For the record, so as to have something in my post that is remotely informative and on topic, I did utilize a task manager for a couple of weeks and have since uninstalled it with no ill effects. I'm not saying this is the way everyone should do it, but I, personally, do not require one.

    Now can't we all just get along?
     
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    The really funny part about all of this is that he can't really make me look like an idiot. The things that I have been saying don't really have a right or wrong answer. The only thing I have been telling people is to try things without a tk and see how it goes. The link in my signature is titled that way because that is what the page title is. People have asked for my opinion and I have given it. The only reason I ever responded to the idiocy of this thread was because the title was so far out there. The whole idea that everyone should be doing something or not doing something because one person says so is just stupid.
     
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    I think you have handled the situation in an appropiate manner.
     

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