It is me or is this an under cover Galaxy?

[Robfactory]

Ok, so w/o the ROM/RAM and CPU info, everything else about this phone screams Galaxy.
Even in the similar design.
What do you guys think?

 

[Rastaman-FB]

indeed it seems it is, although some people will think its better looking as the galaxy looks a bit oldschool although i like it as its retro samsung and is blatently different to modern samsungs.

only time will tell, the specsheet is very vague and in some cases will not be true.
its very likely though that some of the stuff will have been stripped out

 

[Yugami]

We won't be seeing the i7500 in the states, and this phone is coming out the time that the i7500 was originally predicted to come out. We saw the Hero with Sprint and it's only different aesthetically, and that it has a headphone jack. Overall the Sprint Hero was an improvement because of the jack, if you don't care about the aesthetics. I have a feeling the T-mobile i7500 (behold 2) will also be an overall improvement. We already see that it may have aGPS over GPS. We'll just have to wait and see for more detailed specs and for somebody to get their hands on the phone.

 

[marstodd]

Does Galaxy have the same screen?

 

[Rastaman-FB]

Does Galaxy have the same screen?

same screen, same memory, same cpu, same chipset, same a-gps
only things different is
galaxy has 8gig internal
behold has extra button for touchwiz and backlit keys
behold has better camera and music player
other than that they are the same

both have 1gig partition for apps

 

[tikiral]

Yeah, my guess is that this is the US version of the Galaxy. I can't say I'm terribly disappointed. Been looking to both/either for a while now.

 

[kam187]

better camera 'app' and better music player 'app''. The camera hardware is identical

 

[Rastaman-FB]

seems to have more mem than galaxy

 

[kam187]

Yeah i just saw that.. 320mb.. even more than the hero!! You guys could easily run rosie on it if you want.

*kam is looking for a galaxy / behold 2 swap -)*

 

[marstodd]

it doesnt have 320 MB ram. I was in the store today and played with a new one and it had 100MB free. Not too bad but i was not so impressed.
How much free does a new Cliq have? have not been able to look yet.

 

[kam187]

It does have 320Mb ram Thats total! The actual amount you see free is whats left after the baseband, camera/media/fb/gpu0/gpu1, kernel, touchwiz and running programs use.

For example the galaxy with 192mb ram shows about 40mb free - and thats with no fancy touchwiz etc. The Hero, with 288mb, shows 65mb free because it runs rosie UI etc.

On another note, here's a copy of a post i made on xda-developers:

So the phone has the same 7200 processor as the Galaxy (528Mhz), and 320Mb RAM.

Its security locked, and has no fastboot. There seem to be bootloader protected partitions inside some security container. On reboot, if a modified system or boot partition is detected it will restore the running partitions. Thats why a modified su doesnt stick.

We tried flashing a modified samsung recovery to the behold using the Odin samsung recovery tool, and it was accepted. But on reboot it was restored again to stock

That means without a bootloader hack its not going to be possible to run custom roms on this phone.

One workaround is to use a loader or rebooter, which will boot a modified boot partition that you store in an unprotected area. Its not very elegant tho

 

[marstodd]

The samsung website shows the specs at 200MB RAM User Memory. I think you're talking about the flash memory?
Look at samsung support page and specs (Click on the Specs Tab)
Support for Behold

 

[marstodd]

here is the tmobile Behold 2 site
Introducing the Samsung Behold

 

[kam187]

The samsung website shows the specs at 200MB RAM User Memory. I think you're talking about the flash memory?
Look at samsung support page and specs (Click on the Specs Tab)
Support for Behold

 

[marstodd]

http://androidforums.com/samsung-behold-2/19547-feedback-behold2-please.html#post138178

I am looking at the Free RAM reported by the software on the phone. I think this should be what Android reports as free memory before swapping delays or application problems.
Also at the manufacturers specs.

Behold 100MB free 200MB spec
Cliq 180MB free 256 MB spec.

Todd.

 

[chaoscentral]

http://androidforums.com/samsung-behold-2/19547-feedback-behold2-please.html#post138178

I am looking at the Free RAM reported by the software on the phone. I think this should be what Android reports as free memory before swapping delays or application problems.
Also at the manufacturers specs.

Behold 100MB free 200MB spec
Cliq 180MB free 256 MB spec.

Todd.

Sorry to burst your bubble kid, but let me share something with you.

Here is the /proc/meminfo from my Behold 2

$ cat /proc/meminfo
cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 226040 kB
MemFree: 3692 kB
Buffers: 4592 kB
Cached: 92072 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 141300 kB
Inactive: 56580 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 20 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 101240 kB
Mapped: 41568 kB
Slab: 7560 kB
SReclaimable: 2168 kB
SUnreclaim: 5392 kB
PageTables: 10640 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 113020 kB
Committed_AS: 3383184 kB
VmallocTotal: 278528 kB
VmallocUsed: 94800 kB
VmallocChunk: 132092 kB

and for reference, here is the /proc/meminfo from my HTC Hero which has 288MB of RAM

# cat /proc/meminfo
cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 196512 kB
MemFree: 66496 kB
Buffers: 0 kB
Cached: 92396 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 55324 kB
Inactive: 66164 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 0 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 29116 kB
Mapped: 20280 kB
Slab: 4176 kB
SReclaimable: 1064 kB
SUnreclaim: 3112 kB
PageTables: 1180 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 98256 kB
Committed_AS: 220976 kB
VmallocTotal: 319488 kB
VmallocUsed: 55160 kB
VmallocChunk: 229372 kB


Now let's take the MemTotal + Cached from each device and add them up shall we??

Hero first

Memtotal: 196512 kB
Cached: 92396 kB
Total: 288908 kB

No surprises there! 288MB of RAM!

Now for the Behold 2!

Memtotal: 226040 kB
Cached: 92072 kB
Total: 318112 kB

Look at that!!!! 320MB of RAM!!!!!!!!!

Sorry kid but the facts don't lie, that 200MB figure is for storage of installed applications.

 

[kam187]

I think there's alot of confusion about memory in android.

Because of the limited ram, programs are _partially_ loaded into ram and the vm cache handles caching of sections that might be loaded next.

The vm cache uses FREE memory and drops those caches if memory is requested by any process - so essentially it is free memory. The cache will NEVER take priority over allocating that ram to any process. The OS just uses free ram thats siting there doing nothing to preload stuff it thinks _might_ get loaded into ram next anyway. If it gets it wrong it just drops that memory.

The 'free' command shows free memory minus the caching. (You can set the vmcache to cache less or more using /proc)

Its a bit silly to compare the free memory resported by 'free' because that depends highly on what is running, and the manufacturers specific idea on what values to set for the vm cache.

The bottom line is the more TOTAL free memory the more can be cached - the faster the entire phone feels. Also the more TOTAL free memory the more programs you can run.

The Behold DEFINATLY has 320mb ram, there is no argument or opinion here. You can see the memory allocation, the EBI banks and the meminfo values to prove it.

 

[marstodd]

Hey Thanks a lot (a very lot) for the Info!
>>> "programs are _partially_ loaded into ram"

Where are they loaded From? They must be on the phone, they are NOT on the SD card and NOT in Flash Rom. They are loaded to Ram from where?

I'm also just curious why the phone settings memory displays what it does.

 

[kam187]

The phone has internal flash, 8gb total on the galaxy. 1gb allocated for program and data storage, 7 gb allocated as an 'internal sd card'

I think the behold has 512mb or 1gb, all allocated for programs and data.

All programs/data are stored on flash somewhere, either the internal or external sd card. Think of it like a hard drive - slow!

Instead of loading all programs into RAM (memory) it loads sections of that program. The kernel is responsible for making sure the next needed section is loaded when needed. The vm cache tries to guess what will be needed next.