Another point for Android?

[Sento]

I missed out on the fappening but y'all prolly heard about how lotta celebrity icloud accounts got hacked and their personal nudes were leaked online. For some reason personal nudes are way hotter than the nudes they release publicly.

The funny part is I recall a couple of them bragging about how much they love their iPhones in various interviews... Think they all got androids now?

 

[Hadron]

If enough do then expect Google Drive to be hacked next, or wherever else people put such stuff.
Anyone who believes that any online storage is genuinely secure is a fool. If you really don't want something to be public, don't put it on the net anywhere.

 

[bjacks12]

I thought most of that hacking was done via social engineeering.

 

[Hadron]

I believe so.

 

[Divergent]

I defenitly call those people naive, it's like you are indirect posting personal nude photos on twitter, don't put anything personal on the net. even a NET Album with photos to share with your family are choices that dumb and dumber would make.

People are naive and not aware of the dangerous net .... pfff you can't let the naive people learn such things unfortunately.....

 

[bjacks12]

Generally the same idiots that you see sharing and commenting on those hoaxes that say "We are giving away 2,000 iPhone 6s. To win one, share this post and comment what color you want."

 

[Hadron]

I think the problem there is that the generation who naturally accept this stuff don't understand it. Yes, liking something doesn't give away your bank credentials, so you assume there is no cost. They don't appreciate that the point of the con is not to fleece them, but to use them to create a high-credibility account which will then be used to fleece others.

The problem is trust. Those of us who were using the net in the 80s knew the limits of trust because we understood the technology. These days it's a given, and people use it without the remotest understanding, same as they use the internal combustion engine. And that leaves them open to every type of scam if they don't learn to ask "what could the malicious use be" as a matter of reflex.

It's nothing new. The only difference is that you don't need to be personally convincing, since you don't need to deal with the marks face to face (and if you don't know what a "mark" is, you risk becoming one).

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Android still has its security flaws that iPhones still dance around with flying colors against android.

For example if I had the choice to steal an android phone or an iPhone, I'd go for the cheaper android phone because I know I can reset that phone and sell it off. IPhones are basically bricks and can't be reset without the apple id.

Apparently even ios isn't the most secure, but going off and saying one is better than the other is misleading. Both ios and android have issues that both need to be fixed.

 

[EarlyMon]

Android still has its security flaws that iPhones still dance around with flying colors against android.

Wow. Surprisingly I meet people every month who believe this.

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Wow. Surprisingly I meet people every month who believe this.

Why does android have a security thing for this that bricks the phone? The mass of people doesn't know that and that's the problem.

I swear every month my brother brings me a phone from the theater that people don't claim when they lose it. Been there for 90 days and he's allowed to keep it. Every time he brings me an iPhone is toss it in the garbage because I know there's no way to get in. The android phones on the other hand I manage to unlock and use as a web device.

Galaxy Note 3
Htc something
Some Sony phone
Moto g

Those are the 4 phones I was able to reset and make mine in 5 minutes. IPhones I don't even bother with.

So is there a way to brick it and make un resettable?

 

[EarlyMon]

Why does android have a security thing for this that bricks the phone? The mass of people doesn't know that and that's the problem.

I swear every month my brother brings me a phone from the theater that people don't claim when they lose it. Been there for 90 days and he's allowed to keep it. Every time he brings me an iPhone is toss it in the garbage because I know there's no way to get in. The android phones on the other hand I manage to unlock and use as a web device.

Galaxy Note 3
Htc something
Some Sony phone
Moto g

Those are the 4 phones I was able to reset and make mine in 5 minutes. IPhones I don't even bother with.

So is there a way to brick it and make un resettable?

My god does it occur to either of you to turn those over to the carrier or local law enforcement?

Or is it just, too bad, you didn't claim what you lost, so I get to keep your expensive possession that may be your only link to some of your contacts or have a priceless family photo that cannot be replaced?

Wow. Srsly wow.

Good thing that belief in karma is optional.

I'm never going to answer any support questions from you, ever! rotf!

 

[sfbloodbrother]

My god does it occur to either of you to turn those over to the carrier or local law enforcement?

Or is it just, too bad, you didn't claim what you lost, so I get to keep your expensive possession that may be your only link to some of your contacts or have a priceless family photo that cannot be replaced?

Wow. Srsly wow.

Good thing that belief in karma is optional.

I'm never going to answer any support questions from you, ever! rotf!

Haha I know what you mean, a good and honest person like yourself but security is created for a reason, and that's to secure that personal information.

If I were to find a phone myself and it had contact information on it, yeah I'd get it back to them and call them a dumb a** for leaving a $600 phone on the toilet seat at a movie theater. But they didn't, and they didn't come claim it.

If I were to lose my phone, that's fine with me. Every picture, video, text, app is backed up and I just have to get on my computer and wipe the phone. Congrats you got yourself a $45 phone haha I'll go out and buy another.

But the problem is, I can reset an android phone and play angry birds on it when I'm through with it.

All I get with an iPhone is,
"please input apple ID to access this device "

Tried with an iPhone 6, iPhone 5s, and some iPod, and there's no way in hell I can get in. Not me, maybe a genius can.

 

[mikedt]

Android still has its security flaws that iPhones still dance around with flying colors against android.

For example if I had the choice to steal an android phone or an iPhone, I'd go for the cheaper android phone because I know I can reset that phone and sell it off. IPhones are basically bricks and can't be reset without the apple id.

Apparently even ios isn't the most secure, but going off and saying one is better than the other is misleading. Both ios and android have issues that both need to be fixed.

Unless anything's changed with them in last couple of years, factory resetting a locked iPhone is very easy. Just need a computer with iTunes.
http://osxdaily.com/2011/01/16/forgot-iphone-passcode-how-to-reset/
After doing this, the iPhone is now blank and is associated with your Apple ID.

In fact resetting an iOS device in this way, is probably easier than many Androids. We've had umpteen posts about how people have locked themselves out, forgotten their PINs or pattern locks or whatever, and there's no standard way into them from a computer or holding down buttons, each method seems to be manufacturer specific. And some are unknown, like many Chinese devices.

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Unless anything's changed with them in last couple of years, factory resetting a locked iPhone is very easy. Just need a computer with iTunes.
http://osxdaily.com/2011/01/16/forgot-iphone-passcode-how-to-reset/

Tried it. Use iTunes to erase everything. Try to activate it from iTunes it doesn't work. There is no way that I know of to bypass the security and unlock the device.

 

[mikedt]

Did you do steps 4 and 5 correctly? Which is holding down Home while connecting it to the PC or Mac? Once an iOS device is in recovery mode, then iTunes should proceed to format it and re-load iOS, and anything that was on the device is history, including any locks. Recovery mode on iOS is similar to Android, once it's in recovery mode, you can use it to erase everything.

You're not actually unlocking the device, you're factory resetting it completely.

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Did you do steps 4 and 5 correctly? Which is holding down Home while connecting it to the PC or Mac? Once an iOS device is in recovery mode, then iTunes should proceed to format it and re-load iOS, and anything that was on the device is history, including any locks.

You're not actually unlocking the device, you're factory resetting it completely.

Yes exactly that's what it does. All locks, information and everything is gone except you are forgetting one thing. There are 2 points of information that are not saved on the memory container, so yes when in recovery it's fresh ios.

Like touch id, that's not saved on the memory thingy. It's saved on a separate chip that can't be erased, as well as certain information (apple id) is needed to recover the device.

Learn more read about apples secure enclave


http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT5949

Did you do steps 4 and 5 correctly? Which is holding down Home while connecting it to the PC or Mac? Once an iOS device is in recovery mode, then iTunes should proceed to format it and re-load iOS, and anything that was on the device is history, including any locks.

You're not actually unlocking the device, you're factory resetting it completely.

Yes exactly that's what it does. All locks, information and everything is gone except you are forgetting one thing. There are 2 points of information that are not saved on the memory container, so yes when in recovery it's fresh ios.

Like touch id, that's not saved on the memory thingy. It's saved on a separate chip that can't be erased, as well as certain information (apple id) is needed to recover the device.


Sorry to say it twice. Tapatalk issue not me.

 

[EarlyMon]

Smh. Smgdh.

 

[mikedt]

Learn more read about apples secure enclave


http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT5949


Yes exactly that's what it does. All locks, information and everything is gone except you are forgetting one thing. There are 2 points of information that are not saved on the memory container, so yes when in recovery it's fresh ios.

Like touch id, that's not saved on the memory thingy. It's saved on a separate chip that can't be erased, as well as certain information (apple id) is needed to recover the device.


Sorry to say it twice. Tapatalk issue not me.

Presumably that can be reset by Apple themselves, once they've proved ownership of the iPhone by showing a sales receipt or something, In case people are locked out of their own iPhones, maybe forgotten their Apple ID as well as unlock PIN, or even had their fingers cut-off. This is something fairly recent, since that reset procedure was published in 2011, and since iPhones have had touch ID.

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Presumably that can be reset by Apple themselves, once they've proved ownership of the iPhone by showing a sales receipt or something, In case people are locked out of their own iPhones, maybe forgotten their Apple ID as well as unlock PIN, or even had their fingers cut-off. This is something fairly recent, since that reset procedure was published in 2011, and since iPhones have had touch ID.

Apple stores absolutely NP data about this is their servers or on the device. At that point, with the device being wiped, apple will just recycle it and give them a brand new phone. That's how they are so high in loyalty.

 

[dan330]

so.. was it confirmed yet?
if an iPhone was "found" ... can it be reset like android and totally useable again?

I would like android to be that way.. if I loose/misplace my android phone.
I want to know it is useless to anyone else.

 

[dynomot]

I can remotely "brick" my Note 3 remotely and all Android phones are due to get a remote "kill switch" as standard.

 

[dan330]

a remote Kill????? how???

 

[sfbloodbrother]

a remote Kill????? how???

Exactly!!! HOW?
The majority of people probably don't know this, but that's not the point.
Apple does this by default, the user does not need to "Remotely" do it themselves, and they SHOULDN'T!

I hope Google decides that theft of phones is important, and does something similar to this. I wouldn't even consider stealing an iPhone anymore (that's if I was a thief), because I can't get in the phone. (if I was a genius or something maybe I could, but I can't).

 

[mikedt]

Carriers can effectively kill phones, and have done so for a long time, in the EU at least. IMEI and ESN blacklisting, when a phone is reported stolen or missing. A blacklisted device is effectively useless as a phone, can still be used as a WiFi only device though.

Take a locked iPhone to an Apple "Genius", first thing they're likely to say, "Can I see your proof of purchase?"

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Carriers can effectively kill phones, and have done so for a long time, in the EU at least. IMEI and ESN blacklisting, when a phone is reported stolen or missing. A blacklisted device is effectively useless as a phone, can still be used as a WiFi only device though.

Take a locked iPhone to an Apple "Genius", first thing they're likely to say, "Can I see your proof of purchase?"

Point for Apple right there!

Even an Android as a Wi-Fi device, that's a good enough reason for a thief to take one, even if it can't be used as a phone. Than Note 3 I mentioned above, my brother uses it as a gaming device. There's also an iPod and an iPhone 5 in his room that people left at the theaters (but didn't come claim after 90 days, he get's to keep it, so it's not theft). I tried to unlock both of them. Spent a few hours trying to learn how, but I can't bypass the
"Please enter your Apple ID" after completely wiping the device using iTunes.

It sucks that iCloud was hacked for those celebrities, I didn't get the full story, but I think Apple does a better job at security than Android. It's probably because they own both the device and the Operating System, it's easier for them to take greater control over their device.

However I'm still loyal to Android for the time being.