Anyone boycotting the TSA scanners tomorrow?

[Bob Maxey]

So because I choose to do something, that automatically means the TSA can just ignore the Constitution? Do you realize how absurd your argument is? And let's use your example of walking down the street. What's to then prevent you from being stopped and searched all in the name of security?

We are losing our Rights piece by piece and we are idly sitting back and letting them do it to us. We are no longer a free country and Americans have taken their Liberty for granted. We are told what we can buy, what we can eat, what we can grow, what doctors we will be able to see, etc.

I feel sorrow and anger when it comes to people like you Irv. Our government is becoming more tyrannical and you just excuse it as, "Well, you chose to fly. You have no rights. We must be safe at all costs." Pathetic, truly pathetic.

If you tell a TSA worker bee to shove it up his arse, you are taken aside and questioned or fined or not allowed to fly.

If you mention how easy it would be to blow up a plane, you are taken aside and questioned and possibly jailed.

If you say no to these invasive searches, you do not fly.

If you tell a TSA worker to not touch your kids (in a way that is unquestionably illegal), you are perhaps (?) fined, taken to a room to be questioned and perhaps you will end up on as no fly list. Tell your company you can no longer fly and see if you still have a job.

We need to find a way to insure security that is constitutional and provides safety.

GOD, I TRULY hate to play the Nazi card, but people must read about how truly bad things happen and no one worries until we end up on a truly dark side of history and asking how the hell we got to this point.

Bob Maxey

 

[droiduzr2]

Ahhh National Security. How many times must this be used to justify acts that are clearly unconstitutional? YES, we have a dire need for national security. Absolutely we do. But that phrase can be used to cover a multitude of sins by a multitude of people that think everyone is a potential threat.

When you are a hammer, everyone looks like a nail.

As for probable cause, you are wrong. I am a smart and clever fellow and if I were a cop, I am certain I could find a way to look at you. National Security is one answer and I/we would not need to justify why we dragged you to a little dark room for a few days of questioning. Then you decide probable cause sucks..

I suggest you grab a copy of Black's and read it.

We are/were innocent until proven guilty, but the TSA reverses it; we are all guilty, we have no rights, it is in the national interest that we make you remove a breast implant, as happened to one sad lady. What should we now fear, titty bombs? What is next? Vaginal inspections, time alone with “Terrorist Children,” perhaps? If we flew stark naked, the TSA will likely find reasons to scan and fondle with abandon.

What’s next? Scanners costing billions at bus stations and train stations? Checkpoints of all roads? It does not take a security expert to see that when it becomes too iffy to sneak a bomb past the TSA, they start planting them elsewhere. Then what? Perhaps if you watch Al Jezerra, probable cause allows us to search your house.

Where does it end?

Bob Maxey

It does NOT end. It has just STARTED I am sad to say.

 

[mike114]

"The majority of Newark

 

[mike114]

Here's a benfit of getting the pat downs. If you are going to get a pat down, insist the TSA agent change his gloves!!

Doctors sound TSA germ alert

 

[Crude]

If I invite you to my house, I have the right to search you before entering. If you don't comply, I can tell you to leave.

yes, it's your house your rules. You can even ask me to leave after we've been hanging out.

 

[AndroidSPCS]

I boycotted the TSA by driving a rental car for my vacation.

 

[obrien040362]

Kis do play "Doctor" any more. They play TSA.

 

[OstrichSaK]

It amazes me how few a number of people actually understand their constitutional rights.

 

[byteware]

I like my life and would like to keep living it. So violate away. Not because it hasn't happen mean it wouldn't. They (not a racist comment) could be plotting right now.

By that statement, they can take everyone of your rights away. If you live by that statement, then you have NO rights. Remember that the next time you are pulled over and a cop wants to search your car... no rights.

 

[byteware]

Did you miss when I said they're not violating the Constitution? You don't have to fly. Violating the Constitution would be not giving you another choice, but there is another choice; don't fly.

The fact that you choose to do something doesn't mean you give up your constitutional rights.

You CHOOSE to drive, but they cannot violate your rights by searching you or your vehicle without probable cause.

My God, do you people even CARE that you HAVE rights, or what cost was paid for them?

 

[OstrichSaK]

The 4th amendment protects you from illegal search and seizure. This is a RIGHT you are born with regardless of if you're at an airport, driving down the highway, walking down the street or sitting in your house. Period. There is no 'Well then don't fly' or 'Well then don't drive' clause. What's next? 'Just don't leave your house and it won't matter?'

Are you really that much of a coward that you think that giving up your rights will somehow make you safer? I fly all the time and these security procedures do NOT make me feel any safer. We have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to freedom v safety and when it comes to TSA we have WAY overstepped that boundary and it's a blatant violation of our civil rights. When we created a civil right ending slavery would it have been fair to say 'You're free so long as you don't leave the house. As soon as you CHOOSE to leave the house you are choosing to give up your civil rights to freedom and you are fair game to be forced into slavery again by anyone who sees you as a danger to their freedom.' ?? Of course not yet that's not even up for debate today. How is this different again?

You people who support this need to study history and pay attention to our bill of rights and how it applies to each and all of us and why it was created to begin with as well as other countries who didn't/don't have one and how things ended for them. The founders of this country didn't just pull things out of the air when writing that great document. These things are as important now as they were then and yet we continue to trade away our liberties for temporary safety due to ignorance and fear.

Realize that life is inherently dangerous and no amount of legislation is going to protect you ultimately. The reason we are hated around the world is the level of our freedom. Terrorists hate the freedoms that we have and are directly trying to take that which we as a nation of fought for for hundreds of years. To use a term that has been beaten to death but has never applied so much: Every time we give up one of our freedoms or liberties for safety the terrorists win. Literally.

 

[lordofthereef]

The only contribution I have to this thread is to say that those that intend to hurt this country are getting exactly what they wanted in the form of these activities and national uproar.

 

[OstrichSaK]

The only contribution I have to this thread is to say that those that intend to hurt this country are getting exactly what they wanted in the form of these activities and national uproar.

Bingo. I was typing something similar to this in response to a reply someone else posted and gave up halfway through realizing it would likely fall on deaf ears anyway. The ignorant can't be brought into reality with facts no matter how hard you try. I hope the color of the sky in their world is nice.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I had to fly over the Thanksgiving holiday as I mentioned in the first post. I planned on opting out, but wasn't given the choice as the scanners weren't at my local airport. I have minor issues with metal detectors, but don't find them overly invasive. Effective? Not so much, but at least they're not invasive. I have minor issues with them x-raying my carry on, but the pros outweigh the cons I think.

Anyway, they x-rayed my bag and it threw up alarms for some reason. They then proceeded to unpack my carry on bag completely in front of everyone. Shirts, pants, unmentionables, fur handcuffs, whips, chains, condoms, leather shackles, bong, porn, etc.... all got unpacked right in full view of everyone. Once they verified that I had 3 oz of shampoo and not 4 they put everything back in however which way they wanted and let me go to my gate. I figured the ordeal was over.

I get back to the gate and I'm sitting there minding my own business and reading a book. I had been sitting there for 45 mins or so when they came by and wanted to search my bag again. I should've told them to pound sand. They'd searched me once. They'd verified that I did not have weapons or explosives. Where would I get weapons and explosives between the security checkpoint and the gate? It's total BS. Mine was the only bag searched and once again they unpacked it completely in full view of all the other passengers and then re-packed it by crushing everything in the bag as best they could. When I asked what it was about my bag that set off alerts they said, "We're just being safe." They were complete and total pricks about it. They acted like I was ruining their day. Other passengers were standing around muttering words like "bully" and "abusive" and "show of force". It was complete BS.

On the way bag, they had the scanners at the airport, but none of them were being used and they were doing the metal detectors only. This time my bag with the exact same contents (minus the condoms of course) didn't set off any alarms and I got back home without incident.

 

[Crude]

Wait, in accordance with this logic my employer is violating my right to free speech?

Private property changes your rights. If the condition to be on my property is a strip search, your getting searched or removed. I'm amazed at how little people understang the constitution.

 

[Nallia]

Wait, in accordance with this logic my employer is violating my right to free speech?

Private property changes your rights. If the condition to be on my property is a strip search, your getting searched or removed. I'm amazed at how little people understang the constitution.

Your private property is not subsidized or regulated by the federal government.

 

[Crude]

Your private property is not subsidized or regulated by the federal government.

That's exactly the issue. We have to be careful what we let the government spend money on. I like this as much as the next but government regulated is not government owned.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Wait, in accordance with this logic my employer is violating my right to free speech?

Private property changes your rights. If the condition to be on my property is a strip search, your getting searched or removed. I'm amazed at how little people understang the constitution.

Huge flaw in your argument. Airports aren't private property.

 

[mike114]

Huge flaw in your argument. Airports aren't private property.

And therein lies the problem. They should all be privately owned.

 

[Crude]

Huge flaw in your argument. Airports aren't private property.

hmm really? Which one is federally owned?

 

[OstrichSaK]

Huge flaw in your argument. Airports aren't private property.

More importantly the TSA is a federally funded program making it our federal government that is violating our civil rights w/o cause. Very slippery slope and blatant violation of our civil rights and any attempt to explain away is to be blind (read: brainwashed) to the truth.

 

[mike114]

hmm really? Which one is federally owned?

I believe you are correct, but I also think that most airports are owned and operated by local and state governments. I don't believe any gov't should be running the airports as I stated earlier.

 

[Crude]

I believe you are correct, but I also think that most airports are owned and operated by local and state governments. I don't believe any gov't should be running the airports as I stated earlier.

I agree, I'm just making the point that in theory they are within their right to make us strip if they wanted to. The conspiracy theorist in me says that this is a huge ploy by our government to justify some type of radically invasive program to keep track of people down the road. I mean we've had terrorist in planes for decades. The failure of 9/11 was the procedure to comply until you land. I guarantee that from here on out no plane is going to run into a building. The people on board would revolt, bomb or no bomb.

I'm 6'2". I HATE airplanes with a passion. I've been flying since I was 6 and it seems to me that each time I fly passengers are less and less reluctant to burden other passengers. I remember folks used to put their seat back while they slept and only then. Now as soon as we get the all clear the short little guy in front of me always slams that seat back until we are landing. I have no choice though. My parents live in frankfurt and unfortunately the only way to get there from here in a reasonable amount of time is by plane. Trust me I HATE the TSA also. Once in a blue moon you find a normal one but for the most part if your ducks aren't in a row they are going to hassle you.

What I'm getting at is that the fed is within their right. There are other ways to protect the planes but this seems to be their choice. And until the general populous says nuts to it we are stuck with it.

 

[mike114]

What I'm getting at is that the fed is within their right. There are other ways to protect the planes but this seems to be their choice. And until the general populous says nuts to it we are stuck with it.

We'll have to disagree. Like it was posted earlier, you don't just lose your 4th Amendment rights because you walk into an airport.

 

[OstrichSaK]

What I'm getting at is that the fed is within their right.

No, they're not. Those who study history and specifically their civil rights understand that this is a BLATANT violation of our inalienable rights. Congress shall NOT create any laws infringing on these rights. No government entity has ANY right to treat all citizens as criminals and search them w/o probably cause. Doesn't matter if it's in the name of national security or whatever they claim it's for.

Funny how the Federal government was created to protect our country's borders and yet they can't be bothered with their #1 responsibility yet things like this are priority #1 regardless of the outcry against it from those who aren't inclined to believe everything that is spoon fed to them.

I digress.

If you feel unsafe flying w/o overbearing security measures affecting all travelers then maybe it's YOU who shouldn't fly.. not those who value their constitutional rights. I shouldn't be subject to an illegal search because it makes you 'feel' safer. How are your feelings paramount to mine when mine are protected by the most important document in this nation's history?