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Returned Atrix after three wks and got Thunderbolt

antrek

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Hello! I just wanted to share my experience with Motorola Atrix 4G.

I bought one at the end of February, and was using it until yesterday morning (Mar 17). Yesterday I returned it (was still within my 30-day return window) and got HTC Thunderbolt - and am very happy I did.

I had two main reasons for switching:

(1) ATT "4G" vs Verizon 4G. Using a speedtest app (from ookla), I was occasionally seeing about 1Mbps download speeds with the Atrix in Manhattan, but more often less than 100kbps download speeds in NYC. In NJ it was always 400kbps - 700kbps, never higher. And sometimes no connection on the train. Thunderbolt, so far, only in the tunnel showed 3G speeds (~1Mbps), but everywhere else (Manhattan & NJ) its been LTE 4G download and upload speeds (10+Mbps download speed; upload speed so high it seems there is an error in the app - like 33Mbps upload speeds, for example). And upload speeds are capped on Atrix (never saw more than 300kbps).

(2) Music quality: Atrix's music quality is extremely bad - even flac files with premium phones sounded like through a thick pillow. HTC's sound quality, though not great, is tolerable.

Because I use a lot of browsing and inet-enabled apps (e.g. Yelp, Maps, Navigation, etc.), and because I don't want to carry a dedicated music player with me, the above two issues were really important for me.

Other observations that might be of interest to somebody:

(1) the Atrix (dual core) does feel speedier (UI) - the Thunderbolt (single core) has occasional scrolling pauses for a fraction of a second, for example, while the Atrix was always smooth

(2) the Atrix feels much better in the hand (and I have relatively large hands) - the Thunderbolt is kind of a brick. Much less important for me than data speeds and sound quality, but for some people the physical feeling of the phone might be something they base their buying decisions on

(3) it IS noticeable that the Atrix has much higher DPI (~screen resolution), although usability as it is (reading, browsing, navigation) is better with the Thunderbolt, because the screen is larger (4.3" vs 4.0")

(4) the Thunderbolt seems to be taking much longer to find its position vis GPS: with the Atrix it was almost instant, like 2-3 seconds, while the Thunderbolt was looking for satellites for like a minute yesterday when I tested it in the open; maybe this was only the first time, I'm not sure - I think GPS devices need to download some data before their first use. Did not have much time to test Thunderbolt's GPS yet - so this might be a bogus difference. Atrix's GPS worked great in NJ, only had issues in Manhattan.

(5) skype is unusable for talk on Atrix (there are threads here about this). It sounds perfectly on HTC (the "stock" android skype - the specially built verizon skype does not work - says something like "wait for an update to enable video calls").

That's all that comes to me now. Feel free to shoot any questions.

A.
 
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The Thunderbolt is huge - no doubt about it. I am curious how my wife is going to do with hers when she gets it on Monday. Might be too much for her. I'm a giant with giant hands, she is small size with small hands.

I also think the GPS takes a while when you first turn it on. I've noticed that on all my Android phones, as well as new Garmin devices. First time is 1-2 mins on Garmin, then it is like 10-15 seconds after that.
 
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Remember their LTE is empty for now, pretty soon that Bandwidth will depreciate

Maybe. Or maybe not - there was a story that Verizon had better reception because the iPhone was clogging ATT's network. But now Verizon has more smartphone subscribers than ATT, and Verizon's reception is still much better. I guess Verizon just invests more (or smarter) in their network.
 
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Nice honest review of two of the best phones on the market right now - thanks for this. I'm not looking to buy a phone right at the moment but am always keeping my eyes on the newest phones to see how they are performing. I have a Samsung Captivate right now and its good enough but this year's phones are looking pretty nice, I might have to look at getting a Thunderbolt later this year.
 
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I played with a Tbolt at a Verizon store. Nice phone, but 4" is the sweet spot for me in size. Running speed tests, LTE is definitely amazing but the battery life is the main dealbreaker. If you go over to the TB forum, their battery thread is a lot worse than ours.

Our battery thread goes like this:
- My battery sucks
- Mine is fine
- Mine is great
- Mine is alright

TB's thread goes like this:
- Battery is f'ing bad!
 
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hey OP...have you played with the Inspire at all? Just kinda wondering if you have could you compare the Inspire to the TBolt...I;ve read Engadget's review on the Tbolt and if I remember correctly they preferred the Inspire to the Bolt...Just kind of curious because the specs and everything seem to be the same
 
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hey OP...have you played with the Inspire at all? Just kinda wondering if you have could you compare the Inspire to the TBolt...I;ve read Engadget's review on the Tbolt and if I remember correctly they preferred the Inspire to the Bolt...Just kind of curious because the specs and everything seem to be the same

I haven't used Inspire long enough to make a knowledgeable comparison.
 
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hey OP...have you played with the Inspire at all? Just kinda wondering if you have could you compare the Inspire to the TBolt...I;ve read Engadget's review on the Tbolt and if I remember correctly they preferred the Inspire to the Bolt...Just kind of curious because the specs and everything seem to be the same

I went from an iphone 3gs to trial period with iphone 4 and atrix and ended up with the inspire. The atrix has a lot of great qualities, but was also has several issues - kinda like all phones.

I am beyond pleased with the inspire and feel like I found a phone I want to keep for a while despite the constant new features that roll out. The speed is great, I like the size and the screen resolution, I get great reception. The battery life is not the best but it is not really an worse than the iphones in my opinion.
 
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I acutally just did the same thing over the weekend. I grabbed the Atrix the day it came out because I needed a new phone (quit my old job who gave me a blackberry). I absolutely loved the phone as it was so fast and incredibly colorful. However, after trying to send a pciture to my buddy, it took about 5 minutes and I was sure that the send just failed. ATT, being the scumbags taht they are, capped the supposed 4g speeds of their new phones. Let me say this just once, ATT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHIGN CLOSE TO 4G, HSPA+ IS NOT 3G AT BEST. I went into the stores and asked some reps about it and most of them acknowledged the fact and said they don't expect to see any caps being lifted for a few more months. At this point I had had enough, walked over to Verizon, got the Tbolt, ported my # from ATT, went back to ATT and canceled everything.

I must say that the Tbolt is a great phone as well. Made me also realize that there is nothing out there that requires a dual core processor at the moment because the Tbolt's processor runs about as fast as the atrix did. Scrolling is smoother on the Atrix but I can live without iphone smooth scrolling. The internet speed has no equal out there. I downlaoded a 5 min movie from youtube in 15 seconds and sent it to my friend in 10. The kickstand is amazing too. For how easy it is to make, it provides so much enjoyment. I think every phone should have one of these kickstands.

Anyway, completely happy with my switch and feeling good about saying F U to ATT who pretty much admitted their networks suck with their bid for Tmobile.
 
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DITTO

Had Iphon4(still have actually)

Got ATRIX - What a CRAP phone and a CRAP OS

Got Thunderbolt - Ahhhh, thats nice and I don't even have 4G yet.
When you say Atrix has a Crappy OS...are you comparing it to the iP4? Since you seem to like the TB, which has the same OS as the Atrix...they just have different UIs...
 
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When you say Atrix has a Crappy OS...are you comparing it to the iP4? Since you seem to like the TB, which has the same OS as the Atrix...they just have different UIs...

I'm sure he is talking about Blur vs. Sense. Let's be honest, though Blur was updated (and the Atrix seems to be the first Moto phone to run it halfway smoothly), Sense is easily the most user-friendly, if not best looking, manufacture UI layover.
 
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I'm sure he is talking about Blur vs. Sense. Let's be honest, though Blur was updated (and the Atrix seems to be the first Moto phone to run it halfway smoothly), Sense is easily the most user-friendly, if not best looking, manufacture UI layover.


Actually, it doesn't have to be Blur vs. Sense, because it's easy to get rid of Motoblur. HTC's Sense is all over their phones; I left IOS for Android not Sense.

I had an Inspire, but I wasn't willing to give HTC a free pass for their ridiculously small batteries and lack of internal storage. These are constant complaints for all their phones, but they refuse to fix them.

The Iphone has the reputation for "hey it just works", well the Atrix is the closest Android phone to the Iphone. Yes it's locked down like the Iphone, but this phone "just works" right out of the box.

And lastly, WTF does AT&T's 4G coverage have to do with Motorola?
 
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Actually, it doesn't have to be Blur vs. Sense, because it's easy to get rid of Motoblur. HTC's Sense is all over their phones; I left IOS for Android not Sense.

I had an Inspire, but I wasn't willing to give HTC a free pass for their ridiculously small batteries and lack of internal storage. These are constant complaints for all their phones, but they refuse to fix them.

The Iphone has the reputation for "hey it just works", well the Atrix is the closest Android phone to the Iphone. Yes it's locked down like the Iphone, but this phone "just works" right out of the box.

And lastly, WTF does AT&T's 4G coverage have to do with Motorola?

I have no idea what you're ranting about. She asked a question, I answered the question. He wasn't talking about the two manufactures using different OS (as in both are Android) he was talking about the UI overlays. I didn't say anything about turning either one off as he's obviously not interested in doing so. BTW, I am getting 24+ hours of battery on both my Eris and my Incredible with normal use. Fact is, I like to flash ROMs and whatever else my heart desires to my phone, I can't do that with a Moto and until they fix that (never) I won't buy one. They make easily the best hardware IMO, but I'm not spending hundreds of dollars on something and then having them tell me how to use it, if I wanted that I'd by an iOS device.
 
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I would like to see the faces of all those dumping the Atrix and getting Thunderbolts, Inspires, etc. for a 2-year contract in a year. Most high-end devices will soon have dual core CPU and Android developers will start taking advantage of the extra power developing more demanding games and applications. Then, all the converts will be thinking - oh my, I cannot use the games/ apps because the phone is not powerful enough.

Is the Atrix a future-proof phone? Yes!
Is Thunderbolt a future-proof phone? NO!
 
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I would like to see the faces of all those dumping the Atrix and getting Thunderbolts, Inspires, etc. for a 2-year contract in a year. Most high-end devices will soon have dual core CPU and Android developers will start taking advantage of the extra power developing more demanding games and applications. Then, all the converts will be thinking - oh my, I cannot use the games/ apps because the phone is not powerful enough.

Is the Atrix a future-proof phone? Yes!
Is Thunderbolt a future-proof phone? NO!

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy (I'm not, I've tried to give Moto a chance), This means nothing to 99.999% of users who only care that their phone turns on, can get around on the internet quickly (lets be honest ATT's "4G" is worthless), sends texts, makes calls, and will play words with friends. We, on this site and others like it, are a small minority of users and even most of us will never be able to use the 2nd Gen Snapdragon to its full potential, much less the Tegra 2.
 
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At the risk of sounding like a fanboy (I'm not, I've tried to give Moto a chance), This means nothing to 99.999% of users who only care that their phone turns on, can get around on the internet quickly (lets be honest ATT's "4G" is worthless), sends texts, makes calls, and will play words with friends. We, on this site and others like it, are a small minority of users and even most of us will never be able to use the 2nd Gen Snapdragon to its full potential, much less the Tegra 2.

We are the exact user group that will go after all the new stuff for dual core CPU s and not anyone else and that is why I mentioned this.
 
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We are the exact user group that will go after all the new stuff for dual core CPU s and not anyone else and that is why I mentioned this.

No, you are that kind of user group. I, and, from what he's stated, the op are not. His phone will be future proof for quite awhile, if not officially, because of how popular it will become with developers. In fact, I would be willing to bet, unless someone actually cracks Motos bootloader, the TB will be running a current aOS long after Moto has abandoned the Atrix. Kind of like how the Incredible (and Eris for that matter) is running 2.3 while the X, which is the more future proof out the box, is not.
 
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When you say Atrix has a Crappy OS...are you comparing it to the iP4? Since you seem to like the TB, which has the same OS as the Atrix...they just have different UIs...

semantics.

And no, not comparing to IP4, comparing to TB.

BTW, you don't see me ranting and raving about how crappy the TB is do you? No, because it seems to actually be a decent phone. I most likely will drop ATT and the Iphone for the TB. I have had all 4 generations of iphones, an ipad, two hackintoshes, a mac book pro, and a mac-mini and apple-tv I am by no means a mac fanboy, because along with that, I have 3 windows systems, an opensolaris running xen with centos vm, freebsd server, and a ubuntu system. Other than the mac-mini and one of the hackintoshes, these are all running at my house each serving a different purpose. Reason for running Iphone has mainly been network related. I NEED data+voice. Thunderbolt is the FIRST phone that I am aware of on Verizon that can do both on 3G as well..., YES, I said 3G...WOHOOO!!!!

So, those of you who think I am just some ignorant fan-boy, or troll, you can go suck it. Technology WINS!!!!! Atrix failed miserably.
 
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