HTC's version of 2.3

[imcat]

If you root a phone you can overcome the memory limit for apps.

Why can't HTC do the same with it's upcoming release of 2.3 and remove the internal memory limitation to allow apps to be installed on SD Card in the same way?

It has already been reported that HTC have been struggling to fit 2.3 on the Desire and may have to cut down the Sense UI functionality to do it,

If HTC does manage to release 2.3 I suspect there will be even less memory for apps available than there is on 2.2.

If rooting can overcome the limitation, then why can't the official version?

I just don't get it?

 

[Rastaman-FB]

ahh but here in lies a problem
htc cannot force people to rely on sdcard ext partitions, be responsible for the manual creation of them and for the problems faced if the sdcard is changed.

HTC are within their limits, they will never be able to do what rooters do.

 

[SUroot]

Well the Desire is broken into 3 partitions.

/System - Where the Android OS and system apps go
/Cache - downloads
/Data - where user apps go.

As these partitions are fixed (Unless rooted) they are not changeable.

Its getting the ROM and apps to fit in teh /system partition they are having trouble with. This will not encrouch on user apps in /data what so ever.


Although it is HTC who messed up with the internal memory, the OS is still Android and much of how it works is nothing to do with HTC. I suppose you could argue they have teh ability to change how Android works, but whether Google would allow this much alteration and whether it has ill effects is another matter.

When rootin (or changing the default install location) there are ways to force apps to SD (FAT) but this is not ideal as apps that are not generally designed to move to SD cause issues, although some do work.

FYI, Goggle made "Move to SD" better in 2.3 GB and now even more of these apps is moved to SD so some space saving should be found there.

 

[imcat]

ahh but here in lies a problem
htc cannot force people to rely on sdcard ext partitions, be responsible for the manual creation of them and for the problems faced if the sdcard is changed.

HTC are within their limits, they will never be able to do what rooters do.

But surely they can create a simple boot install program that can give the user the option to setup and enable the sdcard ext partition and provide a program that would facilitate an SD card change should that ever be required.

 

[SUroot]

Like stated, they can do it but they wont as it will cause problems for normal users who dont understand these things.

Take the SD card out and the phone wont work properly (if at all). Its not a good solution. It only works for those of us who moddify and understand.

 

[partridge]

I don't think it's really fair to say HTC messed up the Desire's memory. At the time this phone was designed it ticked every box it needed to. In many ways it was ahead of the game, but times have changed.

 

[SUroot]

I don't think it's really fair to say HTC messed up the Desire's memory. At the time this phone was designed it ticked every box it needed to. In many ways it was ahead of the game, but times have changed.

Could not disagree with you more. The only phones this was around the norm for were blackberry devices.

Its not even accurate to say HTC weren't forward thinking enough to make a capacity big enough to make it future proof. It was never big enough to fulfil the needs of the android market even at the time of release.

It ticks evey other box, sure but the lack of internal memory (especially compared to other high end devices at the time) was a huge fail and it is almost the biggest issue for every desire user.

Although part of the desire's dev community success is the amount of people who wont root simply for apps space.

Looking at older HTC devices like the Hero, at the time of release that amount of memory may have been enough, but by the time the desire was released, android had become huge and more people installing many apps hit the scene. I t6hink it was amazingly short sited of HTC>

 

[scouseandy]

Is there any downloads iv missed that I can get for my wildfire s and can u tell me what memory on my phone of Tue shop floor thanx if u fan

 

[Rastaman-FB]

Could not disagree with you more. The only phones this was around the norm for were blackberry devices.

Its not even accurate to say HTC weren't forward thinking enough to make a capacity big enough to make it future proof. It was never big enough to fulfil the needs of the android market even at the time of release.

It ticks evey other box, sure but the lack of internal memory (especially compared to other high end devices at the time) was a huge fail and it is almost the biggest issue for every desire user.

Although part of the desire's dev community success is the amount of people who wont root simply for apps space.

Looking at older HTC devices like the Hero, at the time of release that amount of memory may have been enough, but by the time the desire was released, android had become huge and more people installing many apps hit the scene. I t6hink it was amazingly short sited of HTC>

a2sd+ existed because of the heros lack of storage space for /data
they should have learned from last time but alas they didnt
every other device was bosting between 700 to 1gb of space for /data

 

[partridge]

Android wasn't huge when the Desire was launched, the Desire made Android huge.

 

[SUroot]

The desire made it huger. There was already a plethora of devices such as the very popular HTC Hero.

Anyway, it was short sited given it was the major flaw of the Hero. Should have known better.

 

[StevenChap]

Surely when you make a phone, you have a few people use it for a few weeks before release to test it out. So did these people just not download apps and notice how shit the memory was :/

 

[batmandroid]

There's more to it than that. There's the cost of the device, the size of the device, and a whole bunch of physical things. Alot of stuff we would think about. For example their "motherboard" may have needed an upgrade in order to fit more memory, more ram, maybe storage too, idk, I'm not a phone engineer and I didn't build the desire, bit criticizing it is so easy. Me, I didn't realize storage limitations when I bought phone. I got it because it was the cheapest that had all the features I wanted, and I'd do it again. Storage is limiting, I'm sure they knew that, but at the end of the day, its a phone. And even with 2.2, I have managed to put alot of apps on it. Its a grind because it needs some maintenance, but that's not all bad. One thing I do hate though is how android writes all folders to root SD directory. I wish it would store everything similarly to how windows organizes its stuff.

 

[MandaNick]

Is there any downloads iv missed that I can get for my wildfire s and can u tell me what memory on my phone of Tue shop floor thanx if u fan

Check the Wildfire forums pal, we don't know anything about your phone here

 

[sookster54]

Android wasn't huge when the Desire was launched, the Desire made Android huge.

Nah, Desire helped it grow, the Motorola Droid (and Milestone) is what got Android on the map as far as I can remember.

 

[MandaNick]

Yep, even now when I hear "Android" I think "Droid", and see that commercial with it crash landing in the cornfield

 

[thebillington]

Even if the Droid helped put Android on the map, I still knew of the operating system when the G1 was released all those years ago...

 

[Hadron]

Nah, Desire helped it grow, the Motorola Droid (and Milestone) is what got Android on the map as far as I can remember.

Droid seemed popular stateside, from what I've read, but I've rarely seen a Milestone in use in the UK. What I've seen in people's hands were largely G1s, Heros, Tatoos, and in the last year a lot of Desires, some Xperia (especially Minis) and a growing number of Sammys.

There are national differences - last week in Stockholm I saw a lot more iPhones relative to Androids than I see in the UK, and most of the Androids I saw were SonyEricsson (perhaps not surprisingly).