Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman official discussion thread

[Fuzzy13]

What the news media doesn't tell you is that GZ has taken 3 separate lie detector tests and passed ALL with flying colors.

They also don't tell you about his previous relationships with black kids and a black prom date and the fact that HE is just as black as Obama.

Yet he's a racist.

 

[Outatime]

Please back up the BS info you are spewing.

In his defense, I don't doubt that places like CA or CO have measures like that in place to give the criminal more rights than the victim.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

In his defense, I don't doubt that places like CA or CO have measures like that in place to give the criminal more rights than the victim.

I know that. (Actually, Colorado is an Open Carry state...you don't even have to Conceal there.)

I called BS because I think it's BS info.

If he can cite it, he should be able to back it up.

If he can, I'll be more than happy to;

-Graciusly appologize to him.
-Make a mental note to never so much as ENTER whatever state he's talking about.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Outatime]

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

P.S. Not to derail the thread, but I love Ocala. My father-in-law lives there, been there many times. Great little town.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

WFTV just reported that the Sanford cops gave Zimmy his gun back LAST NIGHT.

Hell Yeah!

Florida Rocks!

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[DirtyDee]

WFTV just reported that the Sanford cops gave Zimmy his gun back LAST NIGHT.

Hell Yeah!

Florida Rocks!

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

that is great news now lets wait for the stupid to take over.

 

[dden4012]

GZ is going to have to get a new identity. And probably move to Mormonville Utah. He made a life changing decision. I wonder if that neighborhood has seen a decrease in crime. Why did TM's mother trademark his name. I wonder where the money trail leads to. Its unfortunate, the events that transpired lead to a punk kids death. Sometimes people get their lives together later down the road. Obviously he didn't make life choices that led to longevity. I can't imagine how it feels to live with a conscious as heavy as GZ's.
Just some late night random thoughts I felt like sharing. Stay out of trouble people, respect...

 

[DirtyDee]

GZ is going to have to get a new identity. And probably move to Mormonville Utah. He made a life changing decision. I wonder if that neighborhood has seen a decrease in crime. Why did TM's mother trademark his name. I wonder where the money trail leads to. Its unfortunate, the events that transpired lead to a punk kids death. Sometimes people get their lives together later down the road. Obviously he didn't make life choices that led to longevity. I can't imagine how it feels to live with a conscious as heavy as GZ's.
Just some late night random thoughts I felt like sharing. Stay out of trouble people, respect...

Thanks for those words and thoughts

I may not agree with what you say, but will defend your right to say it.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

I would think things would calm down pretty quickly.

The FBI-Justice Department has already interviewed every trial witness and found no racial element or malice to the event on Zimmy's part. There goes ANY chance for any Federal civil rights charges no matter what the race baiters are bleating.

The Martin's got their $1,000,000 already from Zimmy's homeowners association. (Way before the trial even started. )

While the burden of proof is far less for a civil trial here, it's still an uphill battle with Zimmy being acquitted. That sets up a solid Stand Your Ground defense for the civil trial. Plus the LOSER has to pay their lawyers and court costs when they lose. The Martin's aren't going to want to gamble their Mil away like that I don't think.

Nothing left really but a bunch of ignorant mean nothing lip flappin' by the race baiters and no one but them is listening to that.

I do think the eedeeit Jax prosecutor has some reverse Kharma backlash coming on her ass though. Hopefully.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

I will say this though.

It DAMN SURE should be some solid reinforcement to every permit holder/carrier that you better either have eyewtinesseS or mulitple cameras backing your side up. Especially if the other party isn't armed.

But everyone should have been really aware of that already.

Totally agree it's been a life changer for the Zim Man.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Kelmar]

Florida is where I took my CCW.

Agreed, if you pull it, you use it.

Will gladly provide additional documentation once I have working internet again (as copy and pasting from a phone in edge is a nightmare.

Hopefully no one will do what you suggest.
That's called Brandishing A Weapon.
It's a FELONY. (If you commit another crime in Fla, just SHOWING a weapon gets 10 years added to the original crimes sentence.)
You pull it, you use it. Period.
You really should try and give advice here that WON'T get people put in jail listening to it.



I don't know where you took your CC class at but it damn sure wasn't Florida Nor is it in the same GALAXY as another 3 states I'm familiar with.

Please show your back-up for the silly degree and can't fire if the suspect doesn't shoot AT somebody BS. I won't hold my breath because I am pretty close to positive you can't. PLEASE DO Show us.

Also please show where in your state those restrictions exist for a car jacking victim.

We're waiting...

In Florida a citizen can use deadly force to prevent the commission of any forcible felony. There's a bunch of those. None of them require you to carry a damn protractor with your weapon to be sure the angles are right for you to use it.

Please back up the BS info you are spewing. This post is possible The Most Full of Wrong Info post in this whole thread. And THAT'S a MAJOR accomplishment. Your advice is even WORSE. His only get's you charged with a Felony. Your advice gets someone DEAD.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Kel, you are making SWEEPING generalizations that are specific to your state as if it were national. Please make sure you tell people to which state you're referring.

In PA I am fully within my rights to use lethal force to defend my life, my property, or someone else's life.

And don't forget that those rules are different in every state...self defense with a gun is a legal nightmare. That's what makes me nervous when they hawk concealed carry training at gun shows like it is popcorn. A lot of people don't seem to understand the gravity of making the decision to end someone's life, even if there is no other way out.

 

[Kaiser17]

Sorry if everyone disagrees with me, im SO DAMN FED UP about hearing about Trayvon Martin when people around the world are dying everyday with deaths more horrible than Trayvon's, and people keep talking about him over and over.

Will the media and everyone just stfu already.

Hate me but idc, im fed up with hearing and seeing this everywhere.

 

[PrinceCorwin]

Sorry if everyone disagrees with me, im SO DAMN FED UP about hearing about Trayvon Martin when people around the world are dying everyday with deaths more horrible than Trayvon's, and people keep talking about him over and over.

Will the media and everyone just stfu already.

Hate me but idc, im fed up with hearing and seeing this everywhere.

If you truly felt this way you wouldn't be seeking out this thread and posting comments on it.

 

[zuben el genub]

I didn't care for the verdict about accidently killing - but he should get some flak for ignoring the police responder, and I don't like the precedent this could set for HOAs. I wouldn't want some jerk with a gun prowling around our neighborhood. He'd probably assume I'm a peeping tom, or my telescope is a grenade launcher.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

Sorry if everyone disagrees with me, im SO DAMN FED UP about hearing about Trayvon Martin when people around the world are dying everyday with deaths more horrible than Trayvon's, and people keep talking about him over and over.

Will the media and everyone just stfu already.

Hate me but idc, im fed up with hearing and seeing this everywhere.

Easy for you to say when you live in the off the end of the scale in insanity Big Peach where shootings happen multiple times A DAY.

WE'RE talking Sanford, Fl.

YOU have More shootings before BREAKFAST than Sanford has all year.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl-and I'm an native Atlantian, I can say that

 

[Fuzzy13]

I didn't care for the verdict about accidently killing - but he should get some flak for ignoring the police responder, and I don't like the precedent this could set for HOAs. I wouldn't want some jerk with a gun prowling around our neighborhood. He'd probably assume I'm a peeping tom, or my telescope is a grenade launcher.

Let's say this again for those not paying attention or refusing to ignore the facts and what actually happened.

HE DIDN'T IGNORE ANY INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO HIM.

There is no evidence in this entire universe that says GZ continued following TM after he was told "we don't need you to do that" which is NOT the same as "do not follow him". Not that it matters either way, no law was broken.

Do you understand that? Read it again if you don't. I'm so sick of people still making incorrect assumptions instead of using factual evidence about what happened. Even if he did continue following him, it's not illegal and it damn sure doesn't constitute the beating GZ got.

The initial events ENDED the moment GZ said "ok" and started returning to his vehicle. Right then and there the situation was over. TM would have lived if he would have continued home after GZ was heading back to his car. It became a whole new set of events when TM made it physical and illegal.


The facts have come out so if your going to have an opinion on this matter at least make sure it pertains to factual evidence within the case and not a one sided, ignorant interpretation of what you THINK happened.



On a side note,
Just like Rodney king, no one likes to talk about what he was doing before he got beaten. Was the force excessive? Absolutely. But everyone thinks it was for no reason when that is that farthest from the truth. So now people only look at TM and say he was an unarmed kid walking home. While that's true, this unarmed kid almost made a guy a vegetable by beating his head into the ground. But no one wants leave that part in, the actual reasoning for getting shot.

Al and the rest of the racist hate mongers only focus on what they want to instead of the whole story. Misguided perception for the public and followers.

The vast ignorance in this world comes in all colors but yet the most racist things you hear about come from the ones crying racist. Irony at its finest. The racial civil rights case against GZ shows that. A guy that was mentoring little black kids that had no fathers, lived with little black kids growing up, took a black girl to the prom and has the same amount of black in him as Obama does is a racist? Good luck with that Al.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

Florida is where I took my CCW.

Agreed, if you pull it, you use it.

Will gladly provide additional documentation once I have working internet again (as copy and pasting from a phone in edge is a nightmare.

:dong: Dear God.

Whoever gave your class is a FRUITCAKE who filled you full of their OPINIONS instead of Facts based on Florida Law. I would STRONGLY advise you to retake the class from someone who is intimately familiar with the Florida Law. Operating under the rules you allude to in your post makes You IMO a Danger to Yourself and Others. If you will post what you posted here from your class, it's truly SCARY for me to imagine What Else you may have been told that you DIDN'T post.

If you don't believe me, just show your original post I commented on to ANY cop or lawyer in FLA and report back what they say. I suspect they would get a BIG laugh out of it.

The State of Florida PAGE on When to shoot is exactly that. A PAGE. It has NONE, ZERO, NADA, Not even the HINT of any of the crazy intricacies you mention. (The Total Crap you were told of any weapon having to be raised to X degrees before you can shoot back would be hilariously laughable if it Weren't on such a Deadly Serious subject.)

Our class if anything was IMO too little detailed. But it Was taught by an NRA instructor who handed us The State of Florida gun LAW and STATE Concealed Weapon Use PAGE. NONE of the info from your post is contained in ANY of the State of Florida stuff. (And before anyone laughs at the NRA, I am NOT a member but they DO do ONE thing VERY WELL and that's firearm instruction. In fact, they are a Benchmark there.)

I can't WAIT to see where you find this information you are going to show us...

(And for the record, my contempt here isn't with YOU it's with whoever took your money and feed you full of BS, "teaching" you what they were DREAMING was valid Concealed Carry information. You should not be faulted for repeating what you believe you were taught in good faith. But TRUST ME, you WEREN'T.)

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

The Fuzzmiester's post above is dead ass on, 10 ring, on target.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Kelmar]

:dong: Dear God.

Whoever gave your class is a FRUITCAKE who filled you full of their OPINIONS instead of Facts based on Florida Law. I would STRONGLY advise you to retake the class from someone who is intimately familiar with the Florida Law. Operating under the rules you allude to in your post makes You IMO a Danger to Yourself and Others. If you will post what you posted here from your class, it's truly SCARY for me to imagine What Else you may have been told that you DIDN'T post.

If you don't believe me, just show your original post I commented on to ANY cop or lawyer in FLA and report back what they say. I suspect they would get a BIG laugh out of it.

The State of Florida PAGE on When to shoot is exactly that. A PAGE. It has NONE, ZERO, NADA, Not even the HINT of any of the crazy intricacies you mention. (The Total Crap you were told of any weapon having to be raised to X degrees before you can shoot back would be hilariously laughable if it Weren't on such a Deadly Serious subject.)

Our class if anything was IMO too little detailed. But it Was taught by an NRA instructor who handed us The State of Florida gun LAW and STATE Concealed Weapon Use PAGE. NONE of the info from your post is contained in ANY of the State of Florida stuff. (And before anyone laughs at the NRA, I am NOT a member but they DO do ONE thing VERY WELL and that's firearm instruction. In fact, they are a Benchmark there.)

I can't WAIT to see where you find this information you are going to show us...

(And for the record, my contempt here isn't with YOU it's with whoever took your money and feed you full of BS, "teaching" you what they were DREAMING was valid Concealed Carry information. You should not be faulted for repeating what you believe you were taught in good faith. But TRUST ME, you WEREN'T.)

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

I've taken over 10 CCW classes the past 10 years each of which taught by a different NRA certified instructor (because I feel that refresher courses are never a bad thing).

Respectfully, I said I would gladly discuss this with you once I have internet and can do so from a computer. Keep in mind that all of my posts have been respectfu and professional. Should you wish to continue this conversation, please also act respectful and professional.

It feels as though you are set in your ways and truly don't care what I bring to the table or the documentation and background I have and that you just want to slander and make cheap shots to "prove" your point. However, like I said, I DO have documentation from NRA certified instructors, LEO, lawyers, etc that back up what I'm saying.

Should you wish to continue this conversation RESPECTFULLY, let me know (as I'm not about to do so if you feel the need to BASH differences rather then DISCUSS them).

Let me know what you decide either way please.

 

[SiempreTuna]

Brandishing A Weapon .. (is) a FELONY
You pull it, you use it. Period

.. because you don't leave witnesses to a felony ..?

Same as PA. You car jack me in PA I will calmly get out of my vehicle, allow you to get in, then put two through the back of your head.

I'm sure being car jacked is horrible and that I'd absolutely loath whoever did it .. but I hope I wouldn't murder them. Coz what you describe is murder.

WFTV just reported that the Sanford cops gave Zimmy his gun back LAST NIGHT

Wow .. I mean, I can see they how they would have to do that but .. Wow

Sorry if everyone disagrees with me, im SO DAMN FED UP about hearing about Trayvon Martin when people around the world are dying everyday with deaths more horrible than Trayvon's,

I'm sure everyone will forget about it soon enough .. until next time.

 

[Fuzzy13]

I agree with Kel. I love you Bruce and your imagination just dial it back a little bit.

I know how passionate you are about things.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

I've taken over 10 CCW classes the past 10 years each of which taught by a different NRA certified instructor (because I feel that refresher courses are never a bad thing).

Respectfully, I said I would gladly discuss this with you once I have internet and can do so from a computer. Keep in mind that all of my posts have been respectfu and professional. Should you wish to continue this conversation, please also act respectful and professional.

It feels as though you are set in your ways and truly don't care what I bring to the table or the documentation and background I have and that you just want to slander and make cheap shots to "prove" your point. However, like I said, I DO have documentation from NRA certified instructors, LEO, lawyers, etc that back up what I'm saying.

Should you wish to continue this conversation RESPECTFULLY, let me know (as I'm not about to do so if you feel the need to BASH differences rather then DISCUSS them).

Let me know what you decide either way please.

I went out of my way in the last paragraph to CLEARLY point out I had a problem with the POINTS you were making, not YOU and that I meant You no disrespect. But you like others here want to make all this a discussion with Emotions, not Facts.

I'm DONE with this part of the discussion, you can believe what you want.

I try to type every single word here Anywhere on AR Totally Factually. I post A LOT. I Don't See posts from others showing that what I routinely post is BS.

The members here can make their own decisions. YOU are convinced you are correct. That's fine with me.

HERE is the ONE PAGE of the STATE OF FLORIDA info on Concealed Carry-Use of Deadly Force.

Members here can see if THEY can find Anything there that backs up your original points. They don't need me to tell them what ISN'T in there.

Florida Concealed Weapons License Academy - FAQs

And, here is the ACTUAL LAW itself. AGAIN, containing NONE of your original points.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Bob Maxey]

With all due respect, I seriously doubt anyone knows what he or she will/would do if faced with such problems.

If someone is (trying, LOL) to beat me up, the game is afoot and he gets whatever I can dish out. And that is not insubstantial.

 

[Bob Maxey]

:dong: Dear God.

Whoever gave your class is a FRUITCAKE who filled you full of their OPINIONS instead of Facts based on Florida Law. I would STRONGLY advise you to retake the class from someone who is intimately familiar with the Florida Law.

I DO NOT KNOW FLORIDA LAW.

What I do know is this: Take a follow-up class from a good lawyer and you might find that almost every state's laws are open to debate and it is a large and very serious debate when you face 12 or so people that can likely be persuaded by a clever lawyer.

Either yours or the other side.

Then there are the suits that happen if you are aquitted; those brought by the family can keep your lawyer busy for years and even a NG can still mean you give the bad guy's family everything you own.

We do have a national law that gives us the absolute right to protect ourselves, but these days, who reads or understand that dusty old document, anyway.

Add the angry groups that have convicted you before the jury is put together and a press that might not tell both sides and the law--in Florida or here in Utah--be darned. It likely does not matter in the final wash how justified you were.

 

[PrinceCorwin]

He'll probably end up in court again for civil rights violations. To quote someone else earlier in this thread, kangaroo courts always get their man.