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13g of data used after 3 weeks

its like buying a monthly subway pass, and expecting dept of trans. to be ok with you using it to get your whole family on the subway just because you paid for unlimited monthly rides.

of all possible analogies you could have concocted, you choose one like this, LOL. someone who purchased unlimited data usage and decides to tether, without paying VZW an extra $20/mo, to browse sites on their laptop rather than a smaller screen on their phone is not even close to analogous to a person purchasing an unlimited-use subway pass and wanting to use it for other people other than themselves.
 
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of all possible analogies you could have concocted, you choose one like this, LOL. someone who purchased unlimited data usage and decides to tether, without paying VZW an extra $20/mo, to browse sites on their laptop rather than a smaller screen on their phone is not even close to analogous to a person purchasing an unlimited-use subway pass and wanting to use it for other people other than themselves.

it is the same. where i live, a public transport pass is to be used by the purchaser only. not just to be used by one person at a time, but that one user only. you could argue that if one person at a time is using it, then it is ok. but it is against the rules (as a matter of fact, it's against the law). why? because it is priced based on how much the average user would ride in a month. but, if other people start using it (even if just one at a time) then the pass is going to be used, on average, more than it was intended. i am sorry this analogy didnt work for you, but it is analogous. now, did you fail to miss my point, or do you just want to argue semantics?

furthermore, tethering allows other devices to use the connection other than the one it was intended for. it's not just a larger screen. people circumvent the mobile hotspot for computers, PS3s, xboxs, etc. it is a proven fact the average tether user uses far more data than those who dont tether. that is precisely why it is against their terms of service.
i know the analogy wasnt perfect. i apologize. next time i will try to use something that helps you understand my point better. if you still dont get it, let me know and i will try to elaborate further.

plain and simple, tethering is against terms of service. they are the provider, they make the rules. if we dont agree to them, we dont have to use the service. to circumvent a service they charge $15-30 for, and use it for free is stealing.
 
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screw verizon, come to think of it....they just got in legal trouble for screwing us....

funny you should bring that up. if it's ok to use data we're not paying for, they should be able to charge us for data we're not using. seems only fair.

























(even though i would like to see who takes this comment seriously and and makes a comment about it first, i am going to qualify this post by saying, i dont really believe that)
 
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no worries, I was just going more for semantics - someone, like what i do, who uses their own data tethered to their own computer to do the same things that could be done on the phone is different than tethering the data for someone else to use, which is where your argument isn't entirely in line with what people are arguing. yes, with both situations, it's a breach of the ToS. semantics.
 
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I've stared at my reply box for 2 minutes trying to come up with something to justify my opinion as well as sund0wn's. But sund0wn says it a lot better than I do, so thanks for that man!

I mean, even buffets have their limits. I went to Todai's last week and the longest you can stay in there is 2 hours.
You can't just say "I paid for a buffet dinner - so I'm not going to buy groceries for 3 days and sleep inside Todai's" lulz.

The world doesn't work that way, and tbh I'm kind of glad it doesn't.
 
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I've stared at my reply box for 2 minutes trying to come up with something to justify my opinion as well as sund0wn's. But sund0wn says it a lot better than I do, so thanks for that man!

I mean, even buffets have their limits. I went to Todai's last week and the longest you can stay in there is 2 hours.
You can't just say "I paid for a buffet dinner - so I'm not going to buy groceries for 3 days and sleep inside Todai's" lulz.

The world doesn't work that way, and tbh I'm kind of glad it doesn't.
Wow. I haven't been there in years. Thanks for the memories.

Ok. Back to your regularly scheduled argument....
 
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there is nothing wrong with debating a topic. just because someone disagrees with you, doesnt mean they are bashing.

that said, i think there have been some terrible arguments about this. i dont like hearing "i pay for unlimited, i should be able to use it however i want." no, that isnt true. they offer tethering plans. they specifically say the plan is not intended for tethering. its like buying a monthly subway pass, and expecting dept of trans. to be ok with you using it to get your whole family on the subway just because you paid for unlimited monthly rides.
tethering users, on average, use much more data than those who dont tether. and, this is why the plan isnt meant for tethering. you are paying for unlimited data... for your phone! you are the user. you dont get to use it however you want.

and yes, verizon did keep unlimited data plans for now. but it wont stay that way for long. they did that so they dont increase churn just before the launch of LTE.

also, i hate the arguments that go "(I pay $200 a month. I should get something for it. Verizon is getting rich. blah blah blah)" there is so much flawed logic there. 1. you pay $200 for 5 phones. that is 5 people paying $40 each. that's nothin. the average smartphone user spends around $100. so, you are spending HALF of what the average user does. a $200 bill is nothin. i work at verizon and my bill is more than that. (by the way, these are my opinions. in no way to they represent the opinions of Verizon Wireless) 2. to say you should get something more than what you are being billed for... you agreed to paying for what you're getting. you dont get to decide later on that you should get more than what you're getting. both parties agreed on what was being provided for the agreed upon price. if you dont think you're getting your money's worth, there are other providers out there. 3.) verizon is getting rich. they are a business. the goal of a business is to make money. if verizon stops making money, you stop getting cell phone service. verizon's ability to turn a profit is the reason our cell phone service is so superior. i am happy to pay a premium for premium service. but, also, look at all the american jobs this company provides. there are 75,000+ employees. and even their retail sales reps start at $45K/yr and average about $55k/yr. so, they dont just take. they are helping to stimulate the economy. but, that is another discussion entirely.

this isnt directed at just one person. those are the arguments i hear from everyone who denies that tethering is wrong. again, i'm not turning my nose up at those who tether. i've used wireless tether too. some people dont have use for a monthly tethering plan, but find themselves in need of an internet connection sometimes. i get that. however, i just think using wireless tether as a sole source of internet is just wrong. i dont want to stop anyone from doing what they want to do. we are all adults here. it's just my opinion.

I haven't logged in in a couple months. I logged in just to thank you for this awesome post.

Just because you can, just because it's easy and just because you haven't gotten caught and can somehow justify it in your mind, tethering is the same as stealing. Same as dividing up your cable with someone else and saying "well my cable bill is alot, so poo. They're getting moneyz anyway!"

No. No. No. You do not understand how business works yet you're playing the "but they make alot of money anyway card" as if you're not costing them resources.

Couple of my local banks had to close this last year. I knew people that went to those banks often and complained about bs overdraft fees and blah blah blah. They (the banks) were actually known for going easy on the fees. An overdraft here or there in their eyes were an excuse to get you to call them and figure out how you're budgeting your account wrong. They almost always waived it. Over the course of so and so years, these fees they waived to keep customers and try to be nice helped contribute to them closing. In a conversation i had when i ran into one of the bankers in the store, he mentioned he heard from his superior that waiving these fees cost them millions of dollars.

Don't you think their customers looked at them in their fancy shmancy suits and said "they get so much moolah, they don't need to take my $30 fee". It adds up. Really. Same with you guys. Tethering here and there x millions and millions of people strains the network and costs them money.

I don't tether because...drums please. I don't need to be on the internet so often i have to steal it. If i need to stream, home internet. Basic stuff, phone. I'm young and even i don't understand this generation's addiction to the internet.
 
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Ok I have a question about the hotspot option Verizon offers for $20 bucks then... from the sound of it in this thread it seems as though that unlimited plan is also capped at 2 gigs of data just like the smartphone data is... is that correct? I had suggested to my ex that she pick up an Android, add the wireless hotspot and drop her Bridgmaxx subscription because #1, it costs her $45 bucks a month. And #2, it's slow and cuts out on her every night. However, if the 'unlimited' hotspot is only good for 2 gigs then I'd better tell her to hold her horses because her kids will surely soak up 2 gigs in a heartbeat if what they're saying about tethering gobbling data up is true.

Which brings me to my next question, if tethering uses so much more data then smartphones, and they're well aware of this, then why would they market the hotspot plan as 'unlimited', and then cap it at 2 gigs if its advertized use is intended for multiple users (advertised up to 5 devices) to connect to the internet at a time? That sounds as if they're just waiting to catch people with their pants down.

I'm not insinuating that users shouldn't read the fine print, but surely there will be a lot of people who read, "get unlimited mobile hotspot for $20 bucks a month", and will probably figure unlimited means unlimited. Then when their family drinks 15 gigs of data because the whole family was tethering off of the hotspot, then what happens... do they drop their service, or send them a bill for a couple hundred dollars?
 
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Back to the data thing... i would hope if they tried to charge me anything they would say something first because i do pay for UNLIMITED data.

Do you pay for tethering? If not then they have a good place to strike from.

I dont see it as stealing i pay verizon over 200 every month...and guess what... they are still getting RICH as hell from everyone with what they charge...thats the only way i look at it....

No offense, but the $200/month is nothing compared to some of their business accounts. They do have policies that they have to go by and uphold after all. If they feel you are tethering and not paying for the service then I think they might try something.

Who knows. You might get away with it though. :D
 
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It's the same with the fine print of "unlimited" for the data to the phone. I've heard some horror stories of extra, hefty charges on bills for users who've gone quite a bit over 5gb without tethering whatsoever. At least I've heard of other carriers (Sprint, T-Mobile) throttling back your speeds once you hit a certain cap.

I'm still failing to see where some are up in arms of people choosing to tether to their computers to do the same very actions of data usage the person could do from their phone. You get a larger screen to work with, and more comfortability while multitasking. Using the data connection in such a manner doesn't eat up any more bandwidth via the computer than would be done by the phone.

Given Verizon has already been known to add bogus data usage to one's bill (hence why they recently were pushed to pay thousands of dollars to customers' bills for their shady moves), I'm personally curious if they'll begin some shady moves with pushing users who are very close to the 150mb limit over said limit just to capitalize on $15 extra.
 
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Hey Ekyle I was just checking out how you have your apps listed in your signature area (pretty sweet), and noticed that just anyone could go in and hit `uninstall`... couldn`t they?
Hm, do me a favor? Go in there and click uninstall on the air horn app. I'll check it out. If so, App Brain isn't all that secure...
 
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Hey Ekyle I was just checking out how you have your apps listed in your signature area (pretty sweet), and noticed that just anyone could go in and hit `uninstall`... couldn`t they?

Hm, do me a favor? Go in there and click uninstall on the air horn app. I'll check it out. If so, App Brain isn't all that secure...

If Outlaw clicks uninstall, it will uninstall it from Outlaw's phone not Ekyle's.
Basically shows you while logged in, what apps of Ekyle's you already have.
 
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that said, i think there have been some terrible arguments about this. i dont like hearing "i pay for unlimited, i should be able to use it however i want." no, that isnt true. they offer tethering plans. they specifically say the plan is not intended for tethering. its like buying a monthly subway pass, and expecting dept of trans. to be ok with you using it to get your whole family on the subway just because you paid for unlimited monthly rides.\

That argument doesn't make much sense. You pay for a pass, not who's using the pass. If I use the monthly pass friday and give it to my buddy for saturday and sunday, there is nothing wrong or illegal being done.

Whether someone uses 1 gig or 13 gigs a month is kind of moot. It was Verizon themselves who announced at the rollout event "unlimited data means you can be downloading 24 hours a day, 7 days a week from the moment your contract starts" when specifically asked what unlimited meant. That would add up to a lot more than 13 gigs in a month. Technically there really is no such thing as unlimited, since you're limited by the speed of your downloads.
 
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I have PDANet installed for those occasions where I really need it, but after 2 months I have used only about 2 gigs a month. Even though its not really kosher, I don't feel bad for my tethering. I'm not using it for a regular connection, just something I use if I'm in a squeeze. Plus, its not like I'm using all that much data anyways.
 
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