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Anyone boycotting the TSA scanners tomorrow?
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That's called sexual assault. You go to jail for that kind of thing. Whether or not it is YOUR car doesn't really matter.
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You consented to it. I won't do it until you consent. See you're not thinking clearly. Deeply, but not clearly.
What's that? You didn't consent to a search. Fine I'm not going to search you but you're not getting in my car then. No officer in the US will take your side.
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So, using that logic, you are entitled to a ride and if not your are going to call the officer and tell him I'm trying to sexually assault you?
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Seriously!? You don't understand the fact that coercing a person isn't them giving consent? Please tell me you are joking.
A person giving into coercion is not a person giving consent. Period. It will remain a sexual assault.
WM Sexual Assault: Overview > Sexual Coercion
Seriously, if you think that making a woman strip naked in order to avoid the consequences of getting out of your car, even though she doesn't want to... is consent, you've got some serious reading to do.
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If you think the scanners and the pat downs are making you safer... think again.
A teenager was able to get himself into the wheel of an aircraft. Had he had a bomb, he could have killed everyone on that plane.
North Carolina teen may have fallen from plane in Massachusetts - CNN.com
The only reason everyone on that plane isn't dead... this boy wasn't a terrorist.
If he had been, they would all be dead.
A teenager was able to get himself into the wheel of an aircraft. Had he had a bomb, he could have killed everyone on that plane.
North Carolina teen may have fallen from plane in Massachusetts - CNN.com
The only reason everyone on that plane isn't dead... this boy wasn't a terrorist.
If he had been, they would all be dead.
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I am sick and tired of people complaining about the security in airports.
THINK ABOUT THIS FOR ONE MOMENT. On September 11th, innocent people sitting in commercial airliners flew into buildings, and also flew straight into the ground. Blowing up in a fireball.
Some of you seem to have forgotten the intensity and the magnitude of the events on that day, otherwise you wouldn't be sitting here b*tchin and complaining that some TSA worker is going to see your shriveled little penis in x-ray vision.
STOP COMPLAINING, would you rather be flying 500mph into a building and blowing up in a fireball?
Is all this increased security actually making me safer? I don't really know, I haven't read studies and I haven't looked at the stats, and I bet neither have you. So stop making false claims that all of this extra security is worthless. Just deal with it and be happy that your plane lands safely.
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THINK ABOUT THIS FOR ONE MOMENT. On September 11th, innocent people sitting in commercial airliners flew into buildings, and also flew straight into the ground. Blowing up in a fireball.
Some of you seem to have forgotten the intensity and the magnitude of the events on that day, otherwise you wouldn't be sitting here b*tchin and complaining that some TSA worker is going to see your shriveled little penis in x-ray vision.
STOP COMPLAINING, would you rather be flying 500mph into a building and blowing up in a fireball?
Is all this increased security actually making me safer? I don't really know, I haven't read studies and I haven't looked at the stats, and I bet neither have you. So stop making false claims that all of this extra security is worthless. Just deal with it and be happy that your plane lands safely.
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As someone who lost coworkers on the ground as targets, I can assure that this discussion involves quite a bit more than that.
As someone who built a yagi antenna in my lab so I could monitor the film as it happened on an instrument CRT with a makeshift tuner, and keep up with what I heard on my radio driving in to work - I can assure that I will never forget that day.
As someone who had a friend flight attendant commit suicide over that day, I can assure that due diligence in honor of her memory, and questioning our safety standards so that this never happens happens again is exactly why many of us are here in this forum.
And I don't mind the scanners personally for the reason you specify - it pays to advertise.
I speak for those who care to delve into this issue, and if I'm wrong and I don't, then I speak for myself:
I will never forget.
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I think it's conceivable that America will be attacked again before 2020 with at least the magnitude of 9/11. I highly doubt we will see another 9/11 involving an airplane. The failure of that day was the policy to comply until the plane lands. We will never again see a commercial plane flown into a building. It's far easier to target a large crowd or a city as a whole.
Just saying...be vigilant.
Just saying...be vigilant.
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Let me sum up your statement here...
Terrorists attacked us and killed a lot of people to achieve a goal...
So, quit whining and give them what they want, so hopefully we can stop them from doing it again.
Remember, in the name of 9/11, give the terrorists what they want.
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You're missing the point. The extra security doesn't make you safer. That's basically been proven. It doesn't protect you against contraband in body cavities. It doesn't protect you against contraband that's swallowed ahead of time. It's not going to catch a drug mule. Substitute drugs with explosive materials and you still have a gigantic security loop. They're not making kids go through the scanners so all you have to do is put your bomb in your kids underwear and you get right through.
You admit that you have no idea if the security is making you any safer, but then you say that making the claim that this security is worthless is a false claim. It's not a false claim. It offers no additional security and takes away your rights in the process. How is that better?
It drives me nuts when people bring out the 9/11 drum and beat on it in the name of approving everything. It very much reminds me of Animal Farm where they did the same thing with Jones. "You don't want Jones to come back do you? No? I didn't think so." It's a ridiculously fallacious argument. The drum is beaten in the name of justifying anything under the sun.
The fact is I could stick a bomb in my underwear, walk up to security and blow it up right there. No security measure in place right now could stop me. There was the kid recently who stowed away in the landing gear of an airplane. As someone mentioned, if he had explosives he could've killed everyone on that plane. So much for security measures making us "safer."
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I actually agree with that. It's far more terrifying too. You crash a plane into a building and the worst case scenario is you scare a bunch of people into never, ever flying again or working in sky scrapers. What happens if you send a suicide bomber into a Wal-mart, a shopping mall or a sporting event? What if you send a suicide bomber into the Super Bowl? Now you have people who are scared to leave their houses and you've got people advocating strip searches of everyone who walks into the mall. A guy tried to blow up a car at a Christmas tree lighting recently. The fact is it's next to impossible to protect against people who are willing to kill themselves to achieve their goals.
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You just proved my point. All of you have forgotten what happend that day.
"You crash a plane into a building and the worst case scenario is you scare a bunch of people into never, ever flying again or working in sky scrapers." Really, that was the worst case scenario? Wow
For those who forgot the real scenario of what happend that day.
1) People in commercial airliners flew into buildings and blew up in a fireball
2) Two of the tallest buildings in the world were crumbled
3) Innocent people including fire fighters lost their lives
4) Another plane crashed into the pentagon killing more innocent people
5) Another plane crashed straight into the ground, nothing was left, everything disintegrated. More lives gone.
6) The world watched as people jumped to their deaths. Jumped from hundreds of feet high because they were being cooked alive as the heat from the explosion was unbearable. These people became known as the 911 Jumpers
7) The world watched as Edna Cintron waved and waved and waved for help. No help came, and she died.
To this day I remember Edna Cintron waving as she stood hundreds of feet in the air, waving from a mangled building with fire behind her, waiving for help. Yet you guys are complaing about going through increased security. Give me a break.
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Ya makes no sense, lets just stand there and do nothing. Would doing nothing show the terrorists that they didn't win?
So BYTEWARE, IT IS SEPT 12, 2001. One day after the attack. You are now in charge of the TSA for the next 10 years, from Sept 12, 2001 to Sept 12, 2011. Please, don't be shy, please tell us what Mr. Byteware would do as head of the TSA starting from Sept 12, 2001 to Sept 12, 2011. Please tell us how you would run the TSA. How would Mr. Byteware protect us without letting the terrorists win, please I want to hear your platform. Don't forget, you are incharge for 10 years, so be detailed. Thanks.
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You're completely missing the point or I'm failing to make it properly. Let me try this in bolded all caps so I can be sure that I'm getting the point across that I want to get across.
THESE NEW SCANNERS AND ENHANCED PAT DOWNS DO NOT MAKE ANYONE ONE SINGLE, TINY, ITTY BITTY, IOTA OF A SMIDGEN SAFER.
If these enhanced security measures made us safer, there would be a completely different discussion. You could then make the argument that because we were safer it was worth the intrusive scans and pat downs. Now, a lot of people would disagree with that argument, but you would have a strong argument to make. However, no one is made safer by these scanners.
We are just as much at risk of another 9/11 attack as we were on 9/10. I can whittle a plastic comb into a knife and get on the plane with it. I can smuggle explosive materials on a plane in my a$$. I can swallow explosive pills, take a laxative in the airport bathroom and pass them before I get on the airplane. I can hand explosives to my kids and let you search anywhere on me you want to search. Apparently a teenager can climb into the landing gear of an airplane without being detected. I could conceivably do that and carry explosives with me. We are not any safer. That's an ugly truth, but it's still the truth.
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Ok, A.Nonymous, you along with Byteware have been promoted. You are second in command of the TSA. What would Mr. A.Nonymous do, other than boycotting and complaining. What would he do as a key member of the TSA leadership team?
Lets stop complaining and boycotting and hear some solutions. Please provide us your plans from Sept 12, 2001 to Sept 12, 2011.
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There are lots of solutions suggested in this thread. I'm not really in the mood to beat those horses again. Other solutions have been proposed, debated, discussed, etc.... Your argument for these scanners is nothing more than a "think of the children" argument. It's purely and completely emotional and therefore fallacious. That's all I was pointing out.
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No I didn't read any solutions from you, I would like to hear your solutions.
I would also like to hear solutions from Byteware.
I mean you started the thread, now that you are asked to stop complaining and start offering solutions, you suddenly don't feel like it. You sure have the energy to complain though.
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I think the first step would be to hire employees who actually give a damn past their 12 dollar an hour paycheck. Then train the shit out of them teaching them psychological profiling, what to look for, and have hidden surviellance teams.
Furthermore, with the amount of money they spent on those stupid machines which already have been proven not to work, and the countless amount of half trained TSA agents, how about some under cover air marshals? Just by knowing they may be on board would be more of a deterrent than any scanner machines with once again, have been proven not to work.
Then, educate the public. Teach them what to look for. Hand out fliers and pamphlets, teach them not to be a bunch of sissies.
I promise you if they would have pulled that 9/11 junk on an airline in russia those people would have been choked to death, and it wouldn't even have been a blip on our radar.
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So how do you decide which potential employee gives a damn and which doesn't. You ask a set of questions during the interview? A set of questions someone can fake? "Yes sir, yes, I give a damn."
So what do we look for? The big hairy guy in the turban?
They have been proven not to work? Really? Please provide the proof, I would like to read the proof you read. They just implemented the scanners, would love to read the quick studies that have been published.
Mind providing the proof?
Great idea, so the scanners are a waste of money, lets print pampphlets instead. Ok, so here is a picture for you. Employees standing in the airport handing out pamphlets. You hand it to some guy in a hurry to catch his flight, he grabs it from the employee, then 10 ft later tosses it in the trash without ever reading it. Now what?
Russia has it's own problems, I don't think anyone wants the USA to be like RUSSIA.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but do you see how hard it is to be a leader. I found faults with all of your suggestions. Complaining is much easier than being a leader isn't it. It is easy to log onto androidforums.com and complain about the TSA from the comfort of your computer, but it is much harder to actually be in charge and provide real solutions.
BYTEWARE AND A.NONYMOUS, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY ARE WAITING. YOU TWO ARE IN CHARGE OF THE TSA, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR SOLUTIONS ON HOW TO KEEP THE COUNTRY SAFE FOR AT LEAST 10 YRS, WITHOUT LETTING THE TERRORISTS WIN. THE PUBLIC IS WAITING FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION, GOSH YOU GUYS ARE TAKING TOO LONG TO TAKE ACTION.
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