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Ron H · Dec 24, 2010

dylo22 said:
I can't speak for NYC or Washington, but for San Francisco, the 3D buildings only show in downtown areas. You also have to zoom in close to see it.

Thanks; I figured it out. It doesn't work when the satellite layer is active; it has to be turned off.

Sideshowbob492 · Dec 26, 2010

Yeah, when I go into maps or navigator it can never actually find my location.

Napalm · Dec 27, 2010

Sideshowbob492 said:
Does anyone know how to get my location to be more accurate? I have the three options all checked in the Location settings.

Sideshowbob492 said:
Yeah, when I go into maps or navigator it can never actually find my location.

Seen this type of thing pop up from time to time on here.

1) have you always had this issue with your DX?
2) does it happen all the time or occasionally?
3) have you ever let the phone sit perfectly still with GPS (and aGPS on, etc) for some period of time (like 3-5 minutes)

Do you have a program on your phone called JustGPS. It is an apps that displays basic GPS data sets (location, reported speed, calculated accuracy, direction when moving)

If not get it and see what it tells you. You might not be getting a true satelite lock (some people don't for what ever reason)

Do a battery pull and restart. But I suspect you have done that by now.

Sideshowbob492 · Dec 28, 2010

Napalm said:
Seen this type of thing pop up from time to time on here.

1) have you always had this issue with your DX?
2) does it happen all the time or occasionally?
3) have you ever let the phone sit perfectly still with GPS (and aGPS on, etc) for some period of time (like 3-5 minutes)

Do you have a program on your phone called JustGPS. It is an apps that displays basic GPS data sets (location, reported speed, calculated accuracy, direction when moving)

If not get it and see what it tells you. You might not be getting a true satelite lock (some people don't for what ever reason)

Do a battery pull and restart. But I suspect you have done that by now.

Thanks for the response!

1) My GPS used to work, which is why this is frustrating.
2) it worked for a few minutes last week but that was it for the last month or so.
3) Yes I have, and I have done a hard reset.

I just got just GPS and it can't see any satellites, so what now?

Mike_ · Dec 29, 2010

The innacuracy I have is not phone related. The problem is the map that Google and CoPilot use are not correct. If I were to look up my address on google it would show the location wrong. (in fact it will show the street drawn incorrect, I have reported this to Google and CoPilot both have ssaid they would incorporate it into their next map release).

iWallace · Dec 29, 2010

love the new maps

Shootr · Dec 30, 2010

UPDATE: Took the DX to Rocky Point Mexico, wanted to use the cached maps with GPS. As soon as I crossed the border, the GPS lost lock and would not show any satellites (GPS Test). The maps were still there, but couldn't use GPS to navigate them. As soon as we crossed back to the USA, got a satellite lock and all worked fine.

So is it Verizon, Google, Motorola???

I knew I wouldn't have cell service, I went into airplane mode after I crossed the border, but after I lost satellite lock. Didn't bother trying wifi, didn't really need it.

Lars · Dec 30, 2010

Qualcomm is the issue. The gpsone chip is embedded in the cdma chip. Put the radio in airplane mode and the gps gets no power either.

Actually there is cdma service in mexico if you enable international dialing on your account.

mbaverizon · Dec 31, 2010

Lars said:
I assume everyone has seen the pan and tilt with the 3D buildings in major metro areas. Pretty cool that they animated this. Next they will probably overlay the Sat image and wrap it. LOL.

does it have to be in a big city befor the 3D works, i tried where i live and it didnt show any buildings/stores and it only tilts a little bit???

gilgafish · Dec 31, 2010

mbaverizon said:
does it have to be in a big city befor the 3D works, i tried where i live and it didnt show any buildings/stores and it only tilts a little bit???

Unfortunately yes. I'm guessing it takes some work to make cities 3D and they can't be doing all the small cities first.

mbaverizon · Dec 31, 2010

gilgafish said:
Unfortunately yes. I'm guessing it takes some work to make cities 3D and they can't be doing all the small cities first.

I hope they fix that

Shootr · Dec 31, 2010

Still not buying it, the satellite lock dropped before I ever went to airplane mode. When I went back and forth between radio on/off, turned phone on/off, etc. - it never would lock onto the satellites. GPS Test never showed any on the radar screen.

Deleted User · Dec 31, 2010

Have you tried going into your location settings and turning off everything except satellite GPS? Also, reboot after you do this. Then try GPS Test and see if it finds any satellites.

The thing in Mexico sounds like the phone was relying on cell towers rather than GPS. I don't think you ever had a GPS lock. There is literally no way for the phone to lose GPS satellite lock because of geopolitical borders - but if you moved to another cell phone infrastructure, it could easily lose the aGPS feature.

Shootr · Dec 31, 2010

I understand a line on the map doesn't create a dropout in service. As I stated in my past posts: I had a lock on numerous satellites before crossing into Mexico. Not cell tower approximate locations - actual pinpoint accuracy. Within 5 miles into Mexico (when I got out of the congestion and could play with it again) there were no satellites being shown, nor cell signal. I THEN turned on airplane mode, which did not make a difference. I tried all the other settings, including dialing back my overclock, pulling battery, you name it - not out of desperation, but in a quest to understand the problem, or the limitation that seemed to arise.

Three days later, as we came back across, as soon as we cleared Border Patrol, I tried again and bingo - full GPS capabilities again. Not cell tower approximates - actual GPS satellites on the radar and pinpoint capabilities.

All I was "conspiracy-theory" wondering was: Is there a software or hardware block in the unit, in Android, in Google - I don't know, I'm just wondering. I'm sharing because some people may try to rely solely on their device for guidance, and this may be an issue to be aware of.

adammsu · Dec 31, 2010

yeah, folks are quick to assume user error (which is probably a good assumption in most cases) but does sound like you experiencing some weird drop in gps, could be programmed in, who knows. i am sure there are more gps sats pointed at the USA.... and I believe they are accurate enough to not broadcast into mexico - if they chose not too. maybe has something to do with type of sats down there, who knows.

thanks for sharing.

Shootr · Dec 31, 2010

The satellites are in mid-low earth orbit, not geostationary like communications ones usually are, so they cover the earth pretty completely. My Garmin worked fine, just didn't have dedicated maps for Mexico. I just think there is either something in the programming tethering it to the home area/country or an agreement to limit what device can work where with what programs.

Lars · Dec 31, 2010

One way test would be uncheck assisted gps and use wireless networks an only leave the middle box checked. The gps wont get ephemeris data from the internet so it could take 1-5 min for a lock. I haven't tested the gps in the X but samsung phones are notoriously slow and weak using sats only. You have to be outdoors with a clear view and not moving to get a lock. HTC phones seem to have the best antenna and usually lock indoors.

On my samsung I could decrease lock time by manually loading current ephemeris data via an AT command. The gps chips communicate to the phones over a standard serial interface and use Hayes commands.

Lars · Dec 31, 2010

Hmm my gps works in airplane mode. That Would be with no cell service theoretically.
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dylo22 · Dec 31, 2010

usually if you have a lock on satellites, it stays locked. It shouldn't matter where you're at. I suppose it is possible that google maps shuts down the GPS once it loses cell signal for a certain amount of time, but I don't see the point in that.

Without aGPS it will take the X anywhere from 5-15 minutes to get satellite lock. Did you try just letting it sit for a while to see if it would lock.

Deleted User · Dec 31, 2010

Shootr said:
"As soon as I crossed the border, the GPS lost lock and would not show any satellites (GPS Test)" This would infer that I HAD lock before crossing.

No, this might imply (not infer) that you had a lock, or it might imply that you lost your GPS after crossing the boarder and after crossing you checked and could not get a lock on satellites.

If you had said, "I checked with GPS Test and had a lock on satellites prior to the boarder, and after I crossed it, I lost lock and GPS Test said it couldn't find any satellites" - it would have been clear. As it was, I did not bash you for being unclear, I just tried to offer a suggestion on a potential problem. Do you really assume everyone posting for help has tried all possible troubleshooting?

EarlyMon · Dec 31, 2010

Hello

There's never a need for name calling - by anyone - or for anyone to complain about other posters, in either direction, in public. Complaints go to staff only.

We don't care who started what or who was worse or any of that - we only care about one thing:

Attack the issues at hand and not each other or other posters.

Keep it polite and on-topic and remember, only staff dictates posting privileges and there's never any reason to announce a reported post.

Any further issue on this can be directed to me personally via PM and no, I don't discuss with anyone what I've privately discussed with others.

If someone steps on your toes, ignore them or ignore them + !Report button - there are no third options for anyone.

Let's assume that a bad GPS problem just caused some undue stress and move forward, continuing to give friendly, helpful advice.

And so that this post is also at least somewhat on-topic (another forum rule), I'll clarify because I noticed it above that the GPS constellation is at what we call half-geosync - they orbit in multiple planes every 12 hours so that receivers can't get stuck behind usual physical obstructions as might happen with stationary birds.

saleen22 · Dec 31, 2010

I wish that I could put a car for the arrow.

Lars · Dec 31, 2010

I would suggest the original poster try some more tests with the phone in airplane mode and see.if he can get the gps booted. They are finicky. I didn't know the X was different than other cdmaphones I've had.

Lars · Dec 31, 2010

Oh yea. Rebooting the phone helps when the gps chip gets stuck. I've seen that too.

sic0048 · Jan 1, 2011

After the initial failure of the GPS, did the OP try at all during the next 3 days? I cannot tell from the post, but it sounds like the OP might have simply put the phone away until they crossed back into the US. It seems like the issue is due crossing into Mexico, but in reality, it might have been a total coincidence and would have actually worked in Mexico but was never attempted again.

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