Atrix impressions vs Inspire

AndreaCristiano said:

Ahh the inspire/ desire HD hater has arrived lol. In actual use more people are getting better use/ functionality from the inspire than they are from the atrix. You played with it for 5 min others including the OP have used the atrix for days and they seem to be choosing inspire over atrix hmmm I wonder why ? Better phone beside the hype and supposed specs of atrix

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Look I'm not saying my impressions are end all be all. I'm being factual, the tech in the Inspire is already months old, the potential behind the phone is already tapped out. Compared to a dual core Tegra 2 phone it's outdated, and with the price only being $100.00 extra for the Atrix you are getting a phone that will be able to handle more graphic intensive apps in the future.

tonyb81 said:

Look I'm not saying my impressions are end all be all. I'm being factual, the tech in the Inspire is already months old, the potential behind the phone is already tapped out. Compared to a dual core Tegra 2 phone it's outdated, and with the price only being $100.00 extra for the Atrix you are getting a phone that will be able to handle more graphic intensive apps in the future.

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The point is just because it has a dual core doesn't make it a good phone. There are many many issues arising with the atrix and the dual core doesn't did those. Nor does the dual core really get used. So if it will be a year till apps are ready and android is viable for dual core your gonna have a basically useless phone for a year but hey it has dual core.

tonyb81 said:

Look I'm not saying my impressions are end all be all. I'm being factual, the tech in the Inspire is already months old, the potential behind the phone is already tapped out. Compared to a dual core Tegra 2 phone it's outdated, and with the price only being $100.00 extra for the Atrix you are getting a phone that will be able to handle more graphic intensive apps in the future.

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You dont own either phone. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. You gave your opinion. Ciao.

AndreaCristiano said:

The point is just because it has a dual core doesn't make it a good phone. There are many many issues arising with the atrix and the dual core doesn't did those. Nor does the dual core really get used. So if it will be a year till apps are ready and android is viable for dual core your gonna have a basically useless phone for a year but hey it has dual core.

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The Atrix will be able to handle anything the Inspire can right now, yet a year from now the Inspire will not be able to handle apps that are designed for dual core phones like the Atrix can. So using your theory one phone can handle apps for the next two years better than a phone that can only handle apps comparably for the next 12 months.

tonyb81 said:

The Atrix will be able to handle anything the Inspire can right now, yet a year from now the Inspire will not be able to handle apps that are designed for dual core phones like the Atrix can. So using your theory one phone can handle apps for the next two years better than a phone that can only handle apps comparably for the next 12 months.

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Your actually incorrect again. All dual core apps will.have backward compatibility to single cores not the other way around. Please educate yourself before spouting misinformation. Android is optimized for single.core aka nexus S so as of now until a nexus phone come out as a dual core that's when single core will become irrelevant

AndreaCristiano said:

Your actually incorrect again. All dual core apps will.have backward compatibility to single cores not the other way around. Please educate yourself before spouting misinformation. Android is optimized for single.core aka nexus S so as of now until a nexus phone come out as a dual core that's when single core will become irrelevant

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Then why did you say the Atrix will be useless for a year? Also please show me where all dual core apps will be compatible with single core phones.

tonyb81 said:

. Even graphic benchmarks on Galaxy S phones yield higher FPS than the cpu/gpu combo of the Inspire/Desire HD/Mytouch 4g.

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I have seen the inspire get as low as 1700 but as high as 1976....thats a far cry from being "beaten".

tonyb81 said:

Then why did you say the Atrix will be useless for a year?

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Because single core apps don't work on dual core! Lol am I speaking another language lol. Dual core apps will be backward compatible single core apps will not open or work with dual core

I don't know if multiple responses of "Atrix impressions" will do anything other than further cloud the judgement of the OP but here are my thoughts. A few of them repeat the original poster's thoughts:

Hardware:
- I thought the phone felt light but solid and there was no flex or give. To me, it felt like a nicer Galaxy S. It doesn't feel cheap.

- Screen was ok. A little washed out compared to my Inspire. Reds, blues and greens seemed a little less vibrant. Resolution was good given the Qhd and ppi, but to me, it looked little different than the Inspire's other than the screen size and the difference in color. I guess that is owed to the SLCD vs the Qhd specs. Touch response was excellent.

- The salesman said battery life is better than the Inspire and given the dual-core processor and the higher capacity battery, it should be. Probably more in line with my iPhone 4, which had incredible battery life. Battery indicator didn't budge and I pushed it hard for 30 minutes.

- Fingerprint reader was responsive after it learned me. It's a gimmick that I don't need or want.

Software:
- No Blur stuttering like with my colleagues Droid X, but just not as swift and shit, I don't know how to say it, sense just presents the data a little better in my opinion. I think I prefer the way Sense is skinned, if that makes sense. Sorry, had to say it.

- Loaded Vevo on it and it ran great. Speaker sounded nice too. Hooked up my headphones and played some sample tunes, in my opinion the Inspire sounds better.


The Atrix is a great phone. I've still got 22 days to decide if I still prefer the Inspire and I don't think my mind will change. I'm good to go until software is properly integrated to work with multiple processors. I'd definitely have to root the phone if I got it. I don't like Blur.

stancrazy said:

I have seen the inspire get as low as 1700 but as high as 1976....thats a far cry from being "beaten".

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Watch a quadrant video comparing a inspire/desire hd/mytouch 4g compared to a galaxy S phone. Watch the graphics section and see that the Galaxy S phone yields significantly higher framerates. And thats even with one phone on 2.2 compared to the other being on 2.1

tonyb81 said:

Even graphic benchmarks on Galaxy S phones yield higher FPS than the cpu/gpu combo of the Inspire/Desire HD/Mytouch 4g.

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Ok just for the heck of it i just ran quadrant:

Loaded down doin 20 other things..and NOT in optimized for benchmark state i got 1727

The results browser shows its SIGNIFICANTLY (20% or more) than a nexus one 2.2 (just over 1250), droid x 2.2 (just under 1250). More than 30% faster than the Evo 2.2 (around 1100) and more than double the score of the vanilla samsung galaxy S (just under 800), and more than THREE times FASTER THAN THE vanilla nexus one (a hair over 500) and HTC desire (also a hair over 500).

(These are rough estimates by lining up the bar with the graph numbers at the top..it only gives the exact score of my device at 1727.)

Wanna reconsider what you just said?

Some one tell me how to upload this bar graph and ill be happy to.

Seriously....you are completely wrong on this one. Im holding the results right in front of me.

Edit: ohhh you said GRAPHIC benchmarks. Yea very few poeple care about high end gaming on a phone. I have a water cooled overclocked quad core I7 and dual Radeon 5870s in x-fire and an xbox 360 for that. The phone benchmarks..speak for themselves.

stancrazy said:

Ok jus for the heck of it i just ran quadrant:

Loaded down doin 20 ohter things..and NOT in optimized for benchmark state i got 1727

The results browser shows its SIGNIFICANTLY (20% or more) than a nexus one 2.2 (just over 1250), droid x 2.2 (just under 1250). More than 30% faster than the Evo 2.2 (around 1100) and more than doulble the score of the vanilla samsung galaxy S (just under 800), and more than THREE times FASTER THAN THE vanilla nexus one (a hair over 500) and HTC desire (also a hair over 500).

(These are rough estimates by lining up the bar with the graph numbers at the top..it only gives the exact score of my device at 1727.)

Wanna reconsider what you just said?

Some one tell me how to upload this bar graph and ill be happy to.

Seriously....you are completely wrong on this one. Im holding the results right in front of me.

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Thank you friend. Our boy tony is a bit of a Samsung galaxy S fanboy

stancrazy said:

Ok jus for the heck of it i just ran quadrant:

Loaded down doin 20 ohter things..and NOT in optimized for benchmark state i got 1727

The results browser shows its SIGNIFICANTLY (20% or more) than a nexus one 2.2, droid x 2.2. More than 30% faster than the Evo 2.2 and more than doulble the score of the vanilla samsung galaxy S, and more than THREE times FASTER THAN THE vanilla nexus 1 and HTC desire.

Wanna reconsider what you just said?

Some one tell me how to upload this bar graph and ill be happy to.

Seriously....you are completely wrong on this one. Im holding the results right in front of me.

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Ok you know the part in quadrant that shows the 2d/3d graphics? You know the little numbers on the bottom that show "FPS"? Those are the numbers I'm talking about, all I have talked about in this thread in the graphic performances of these chips. Like I said in the previous post I quoted of yours I never referred to overall numbers I've been talking about graphics performance the whole time.

How about your run quadrant on your phone and tell me the FPS of all of the different graphic benchmarks it runs. The flat yellow one first, then the corridor, then the planet, then the dna strand. Tell me me the number running below in each one of those sections. Since that is what I've been referring to this whole thread. You are giving results of things I'm not referring to.

tonyb81 said:

Ok you know the part in quadrant that shows the 2d/3d graphics? You know the little numbers on the bottom that show "FPS"? Those are the numbers I'm talking about, all I have talked about in this thread in the graphic performances of these chips. Like I said in the previous post I quoted of yours I never referred to overall numbers I've been talking about graphics performance the whole time.

How about your run quadrant on your phone and tell me the FPS of all of the different graphic benchmarks it runs. The flat yellow one first, then the corridor, then the planet, then the dna strand. Tell me me the number running below in each one of those sections. Since that is what I've been referring to this whole thread. You are giving results of things I'm not referring to.

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Bro ya know what's great? If you run an inspire against a captivate the inspire is smoother in game play so your quadrant means jack. Once again specs sontuoso make it a phone its the sum of all working together and how that translates to use that makes the best phone.

AndreaCristiano said:

Bro ya know what's great? If you run an inspire against a captivate the inspire is smoother in game play so your quadrant means jack. Once again specs sontuoso make it a phone its the sum of all working together and how that translates to use that makes the best phone.

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What game are you making the comparison with?

tonyb81 said:

Ok you know the part in quadrant that shows the 2d/3d graphics? You know the little numbers on the bottom that show "FPS"? Those are the numbers I'm talking about, all I have talked about in this thread in the graphic performances of these chips. Like I said in the previous post I quoted of yours I never referred to overall numbers I've been talking about graphics performance the whole time.

How about your run quadrant on your phone and tell me the FPS of all of the different graphic benchmarks it runs. The flat yellow one first, then the corridor, then the planet, then the dna strand. Tell me me the number running below in each one of those sections. Since that is what I've been referring to this whole thread. You are giving results of things I'm not referring to.

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Ok that is a totally fair point. While you were typing this, i edited my post up there to include my personal opinion of "high end' gaming on a phone. The two things "high end' and "gaming on a phone" are COMPLETELY mutually exclusive. They can not..do not, and never will exsist at the same time. Or my overclocked watercooled I7 computer with dual video cards and a 26inc monitor and surround sound is going to be PISSED.

But i get what you are saying on the graphics tests ....i just dont concede that as a victory because it wins in a category that literallly no SELF RESPECTING GAMER would ever care about in the first place.. Casual gamers? Maybe....but you are in a HARD CORE hardware debate...defending the side of a CASUAL gamer. Again. Hard core hardware debate and casual gamer....mututally exclusive. You want HIGH END GAMING?.....Then you ARENT even USING a phone in the first place.

tonyb81 said:

What game are you making the comparison with?

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I played asphalt 5 on both

stancrazy said:

Ok that is a totally fair point. While you were typing this, i edited my post up there to include my personal opinion of "high end' gaming on a phone. The two things "high end' and "gaming on a phone" are COMPLETELY mutually exclusive. They can not..do not, and never will exsist at the same time. Or my overclocked watercooled I7 computer with dual video cards and a 26inc monitor and surround sound is going to be PISSED.

But i get what you are saying on the graphics tests ....i just dont concede that as a victory because it wins in a category that literallly no SELF RESPECTING GAMER would ever care about in the first place.. Casual gamers? Maybe....but you are in a HARD CORE hardware debate...defending the side of a CASUAL gamer. Again. Hard core hardware debate and casual gamer....mututally exclusive. You want HIGH END GAMING?.....Then you ARENT even USING a phone in the first place.

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I'm trying to make a point that on one hand you have a phone that is just released (inspire) that can't even match the graphic capabilities of a phone released before it (galaxy s). It's gonna be a much more pronounced difference in the coming months when more high end graphic intensive apps come out.

For the person who doesn't keep a phone for 2 years, the Inspire makes sense. However if you want your phone to be cutting edge a year from now, the Inspire is not the way to go.

tonyb81 said:

I'm trying to make a point that on one hand you have a phone that is just released (inspire) that can't even match the graphic capabilities of a phone released before it (galaxy s). It's gonna be a much more pronounced difference in the coming months when more high end graphic intensive apps come out.

For the person who doesn't keep a phone for 2 years, the Inspire makes sense. However if you want your phone to be cutting edge a year from now, the Inspire is not the way to go.

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That's only for what gaming? Other than that graphic intense scenario the atrix is in no way better than the inspire. Even there its not drastically better

AndreaCristiano said:

That's only for what gaming? Other than that graphic intense scenario the atrix is in no way better than the inspire. Even there its not drastically better

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Thats why I said if you want a phone that you won't keep a year from now then get an inspire. There is a reason it's priced at $99.99.

tonyb81 said:

I'm trying to make a point that on one hand you have a phone that is just released (inspire) that can't even match the graphic capabilities of a phone released before it (galaxy s). It's gonna be a much more pronounced difference in the coming months when more high end graphic intensive apps come out.

For the person who doesn't keep a phone for 2 years, the Inspire makes sense. However if you want your phone to be cutting edge a year from now, the Inspire is not the way to go.

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I am going to concede this point to you. I agree. Jury is still out on when/how long/ what/ or even IF the atrix gets software that will make use of its dual cores however. So the case could ALSO be argued that its smarter to get the better overall phone now..and wait for the software to catch up with the hardware for dual cores..on a more matured phone platform. Which puts us right back into an iphone 4/5 or HTC inspire as really the only well thought out choices at the moment.. I am not saying Atrix=bad. I am just saying Inspire = smarter choice (at the moment).

I really cant wait to see what summer and fall bring to the table.

tonyb81 said:

Thats why I said if you want a phone that you won't keep a year from now then get an inspire. There is a reason it's priced at $99.99.

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Yea its because they thought the hype of the atrix would make it outsell the inspire so they priced it lower but it seems that the atrix can't match the hype

tonyb81 said:

For the person who doesn't keep a phone for 2 years, the Inspire makes sense. However if you want your phone to be cutting edge a year from now, the Inspire is not the way to go.

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I agree with you completely here. I just wonder how many people who care about the things you mention keep a phone for 2 years AND want the phone to remain cutting edge for a year.

I think most people who care about cutting edge tech are the people getting new phones multiple times in a 2 year frame. Likewise, I think people who keep their phones for 2 years are a little less in tune with cutting edge tech. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong though.

Zonker1 said:

I agree with you completely here. I just wonder how many people who care about the things you mention keep a phone for 2 years AND want the phone to remain cutting edge for a year.

I think most people who care about cutting edge tech are the people getting new phones multiple times in a 2 year frame. Likewise, I think people who keep their phones for 2 years are a little less in tune with cutting edge tech. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong though.

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I think you hit it on the head here! Tech whores in a two year period will get about 4 or 5 phones and the average user won't give a crap about half of thwarting atrix tech. They will care about usability and interface