Pentile screen? Really that bad?

tehsusenoh · Aug 23, 2011

kg2128 said:
Good points, I feel like some people here are going just as overboard as the people trashing the Pentile display. What I mean is "PENTILE IS AWESOME, THE HATERS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING" is just as biased as "PENTILE IS COMPLETE GARBAGE." In the end you just have to use the phone to know. I am in the I don't like pentile camp, but may live with it if everything else about the Bionic lives up to the hype.

Yeah, pentile might be bad, but if the internals are good enough...

YankeeDudeL · Aug 25, 2011

My main question is, does pentile screens help conserve battery drain over the other available displays? I've heard this, but I don't know for sure. We all know that the display eats up the most battery life, so if it does help, that'd make it worth it to me.

tehsusenoh · Aug 25, 2011

YankeeDudeL said:
My main question is, does pentile screens help conserve battery drain over the other available displays? I've heard this, but I don't know for sure. We all know that the display eats up the most battery life, so if it does help, that'd make it worth it to me.

Yes. Because it adds the white subpixel (technically just a color-filterless hole), you can lower the brightness of the screen, making it use less energy.

HanSolo · Aug 25, 2011

What drains less battery, PenTile or SAMOLED?

I know SAMOLED doesn't have LED back lighting, that's why the blacks are much deeper than in other screens because it simply doesn't have any light behind it.

tehsusenoh · Aug 25, 2011

bluefire1914 said:
What drains less battery, PenTile or SAMOLED?

I know SAMOLED doesn't have LED back lighting, that's why the blacks are much deeper than in other screens because it simply doesn't have any light behind it.

I'd say that they're about even.

On a side note, I may pass over the Bionic and go for the Vigor, since the SGS2 isn't coming to Big Red.

johnlgalt · Aug 25, 2011

I'm getting the Bionic somehow. but, it may not be the phone I stick with.

tehsusenoh · Aug 25, 2011

johnlgalt said:
I'm getting the Bionic somehow. but, it may not be the phone I stick with.

I may get it as well... I sat down today, and thought:

This is an Android phone. It's going to be awesome. If I got a Thunderbolt, it would be awesome. I should be picking what I like.

I'll have to see if I like it. I'd be able to do the 1GHz, but the screen may determine it all.

YankeeDudeL · Aug 25, 2011

tehsusenoh said:
I'd say that they're about even.

On a side note, I may pass over the Bionic and go for the Vigor, since the SGS2 isn't coming to Big Red.

I highly question anything HTC. But I gotta admit, HTC Sense 3.0 is truly awesome. I wouldn't, however get that the day it came out like I plan on with the Bionic. I'd need to read a lot of reviews and get user feedback. If I decided it was a better phone than the Bionic, I'd wait until Costco had it for $180 (usually about a month after it drops.

tehsusenoh · Aug 25, 2011

YankeeDudeL said:
I highly question anything HTC. But I gotta admit, HTC Sense 3.0 is truly awesome. I wouldn't, however get that the day it came out like I plan on with the Bionic. I'd need to read a lot of reviews and get user feedback. If I decided it was a better phone than the Bionic, I'd wait until Costco had it for $180 (usually about a month after it drops.

I would never buy any phone on drop day, except of course for an LTE Nexus phone on Verizon.

Moto is my favorite manufacturer, HTC second, then Samsung, only because of the plastic. LG? Well, I'll never buy another one of them. I just can't. Sony? Depends. Casio? Lolwut. Kyocera? Nope.avi

I'll always wait for there to be reviews and hands-ons for the phone before I pounce.

YankeeDudeL · Aug 25, 2011

tehsusenoh said:
I would never buy any phone on drop day, except of course for an LTE Nexus phone on Verizon.

Moto is my favorite manufacturer, HTC second, then Samsung, only because of the plastic. LG? Well, I'll never buy another one of them. I just can't. Sony? Depends. Casio? Lolwut. Kyocera? Nope.avi

I'll always wait for there to be reviews and hands-ons for the phone before I pounce.

I pounced on the OG Droid because I knew it was what I wanted and I wasn't pleased with my phone at the time. I did do an awful lot of research into it, though to get there and I was confident in the "professional" reviews.

This time around is very similar. I really need a new phone, I'm not waiting a month or so after it's out to compare to other phones, so I might as well get it. lol

tehsusenoh · Aug 25, 2011

YankeeDudeL said:
I pounced on the OG Droid because I knew it was what I wanted and I wasn't pleased with my phone at the time. I did do an awful lot of research into it, though to get there and I was confident in the "professional" reviews.

This time around is very similar. I really need a new phone, I'm not waiting a month or so after it's out to compare to other phones, so I might as well get it. lol

And it's already rooted! The Droid 3 method works for all Motorola phones.

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

tehsusenoh said:
I may get it as well... I sat down today, and thought:

This is an Android phone. It's going to be awesome. If I got a Thunderbolt, it would be awesome. I should be picking what I like.

I'll have to see if I like it. I'd be able to do the 1GHz, but the screen may determine it all.

I've made my decision. VZW <> Samsung GSII ==> Me = Bionic.

YankeeDudeL said:
I highly question anything HTC. But I gotta admit, HTC Sense 3.0 is truly awesome. I wouldn't, however get that the day it came out like I plan on with the Bionic. I'd need to read a lot of reviews and get user feedback. If I decided it was a better phone than the Bionic, I'd wait until Costco had it for $180 (usually about a month after it drops.

Same here - which is why I've been active in these Bionic forums for a month or so now...

Same MO as when the OG DROID came out....

My join date here is 9 days before the DROID dropped...before that I was lurking here and at other places, like Howard Forums...

tehsusenoh said:
I would never buy any phone on drop day, except of course for an LTE Nexus phone on Verizon.

Moto is my favorite manufacturer, HTC second, then Samsung, only because of the plastic. LG? Well, I'll never buy another one of them. I just can't. Sony? Depends. Casio? Lolwut. Kyocera? Nope.avi

I'll always wait for there to be reviews and hands-ons for the phone before I pounce.

I like buying on Drop day if previews and pre-reviews are good enough. Any major flaws and I slowly back away.

YankeeDudeL said:
I pounced on the OG Droid because I knew it was what I wanted and I wasn't pleased with my phone at the time. I did do an awful lot of research into it, though to get there and I was confident in the "professional" reviews.

This time around is very similar. I really need a new phone, I'm not waiting a month or so after it's out to compare to other phones, so I might as well get it. lol

Same here my friend

tehsusenoh said:
And it's already rooted! The Droid 3 method works for all Motorola phones.

That's always a plus...lol

red66charger · Aug 26, 2011

I feel for you all that need to replace a dying phone (many have OG Droids on life support). My only "need" is ditching an unsupported, battery-sucking Thunderbolt (good luck with those Vigors...I'll pass). I'm going to suffer through the next two months and see where we're at. Bionic, Prime or GSII-esque as I saw someone call the rumored Samsung "after Bionic LTE device with 4.5" display...which may or may not be prime. Either way, my "need" is not as great as others'.

Hang in there fellas and gals! I think we're getting closer

MaxSpeed Droid · Aug 26, 2011

Hi guys, first time poster, but I've been lurking for a few weeks. Great threads!

I decided to finally register so i could ask one question. is qhd high def? Like, if I put a movie on there that is a bluray rip, will it be as clear as it would be on my HD tv?

tehsusenoh · Aug 26, 2011

MaxSpeed Droid said:
Hi guys, first time poster, but I've been lurking for a few weeks. Great threads!

I decided to finally register so i could ask one question. is qhd high def? Like, if I put a movie on there that is a bluray rip, will it be as clear as it would be on my HD tv?

qHD is short for quarter HD. Meaning that the resolution is a quarter of 1080p.

If you put a BluRay rip onto the device, it would serve no purpose to keep it as 1080, as the screen can only do qHD. So you would convert it, and you wouldn't notice the difference. Go anywhere below that, and you will notice quality change.

This isn't the most complete advice, as I'm not taking bitrate, encoder levels, and other advance quality things into account.

tl;dr
It's a quarter of 1080p, anywhere from there up is a waste of space, so encode to qHD.

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

tehsusenoh said:
qHD is short for quarter HD. Meaning that the resolution is a quarter of 1080p.

If you put a BluRay rip onto the device, it would serve no purpose to keep it as 1080, as the screen can only do qHD. So you would convert it, and you wouldn't notice the difference. Go anywhere below that, and you will notice quality change.

This isn't the most complete advice, as I'm not taking bitrate, encoder levels, and other advance quality things into account.

tl;dr
It's a quarter of 1080p, anywhere from there up is a waste of space, so encode to qHD.

To make it more useful, I used Handbrake 4 (just before HB 5 was released) to convert a Blu-Ray rip of G.I.Joe and put it on my phone. it was beyond incredible.

I have a decent slim-type 12 MP camera that can do video as well, but at a reduced resolution, and I have a Microsoft Lifecam Studio that does full 1080p images and full 720p video - I can reconvert the rip and put it back on the phone and make a video if you want.

Mind you, this is the original Motorola DROID I'm talking about. it looks pretty damned good.

There is a thread in the Motorola DROID forums that has numerous different ways to convert movies to optimize for the screen size you're viewing it on, and that helps tremendously, as well as either a link to a separate tutorial on how to optimize HB or else a post in the middle of it giving the various parameters. That is what I used and it was stunningly incredible.

it's one of the reasons I was using the leaked betas of the NetFlix app on my phone before it was actually released to the general public- even on this ancient device, the picture quality is stunning.

I'd expect that the video would look sharper thanks to the the pentile screen than my OG DROID, and that will be another test I perform this weekend - taking the video onto current Moto and Sammy devices in the store and seeing if they will let me play them for comparison. If they won't, I'll be sure to let the mgmt know that I won't visit that store again.

Hell, I might also link them to my profiles both here and the Motorola forums

tehsusenoh · Aug 26, 2011

johnlgalt said:
To make it more useful, I used Handbrake 4 (just before HB 5 was released) to convert a Blu-Ray rip of G.I.Joe and put it on my phone. it was beyond incredible.

I have a decent slim-type 12 MP camera that can do video as well, but at a reduced resolution, and I have a Microsoft Lifecam Studio that does full 1080p images and full 720p video - I can reconvert the rip and put it back on the phone and make a video if you want.

Mind you, this is the original Motorola DROID I'm talking about. it looks pretty damned good.

There is a thread in the Motorola DROID forums that has numerous different ways to convert movies to optimize for the screen size you're viewing it on, and that helps tremendously, as well as either a link to a separate tutorial on how to optimize HB or else a post in the middle of it giving the various parameters. That is what I used and it was stunningly incredible.

it's one of the reasons I was using the leaked betas of the NetFlix app on my phone before it was actually released to the general public- even on this ancient device, the picture quality is stunning.

I'd expect that the video would look sharper thanks to the the pentile screen than my OG DROID, and that will be another test I perform this weekend - taking the video onto current Moto and Sammy devices in the store and seeing if they will let me play them for comparison. If they won't, I'll be sure to let the mgmt know that I won't visit that store again.

Hell, I might also link them to my profiles both here and the Motorola forums

A Handbrake user, eh?

If you use Windows, I highly suggest VidCoder. It's based off of Handbrake, but introduces features that have been removed from Handbrake, and does multi-core/multi-threaded encoding. I use it for encoding things to my PSP.

It has a x86 and x64 version, here's the download page.

VidCoder - Download: 1.0.0

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

^ You, sirrah, just made my day. Anything to get my encoding and converting to use all 8 cores of my 965 EE would be nice....

tehsusenoh · Aug 26, 2011

johnlgalt said:
^ You, sirrah, just made my day. Anything to get my encoding and converting to use all 8 cores of my 965 EE would be nice....

WHAT. My laptop has an i5 at 2.53GHz (4 hyperthreads), then my desktop has dual core at 3.16GHz (2 threads). And the i5 works much faster cause of the hyperthreading. Clock speed isn't always everything.

I'm pretty sure you can just export out your Handbrake profiles, then import them into VidCoder.

One feature that VidCoder has that Handbrake used to have is the feature to specify a max resolution that the device supports, then it converts to the best resolution it can up to that point. Great for encoding things that are 4:3, or weird resolutions. It's the best feature ever, and Handbrake had to remove it.

And if you want to use all of your CPU cores AND your GPU(s), you can use Badaboom. Doesn't have a queue for batch conversions, but I get 250fps on my 250GTS.

http://www.badaboomit.com/

On topic:

Bionic. I must get it. And a TouchPad.

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

tehsusenoh said:
WHAT. My laptop has an i5 at 2.53GHz (4 hyperthreads), then my desktop has dual core at 3.16GHz (2 threads). And the i5 works much faster cause of the hyperthreading. Clock speed isn't always everything.

I'm pretty sure you can just export out your Handbrake profiles, then import them into VidCoder.

One feature that VidCoder has that Handbrake used to have is the feature to specify a max resolution that the device supports, then it converts to the best resolution it can up to that point. Great for encoding things that are 4:3, or weird resolutions. It's the best feature ever, and Handbrake had to remove it.

And if you want to use all of your CPU cores AND your GPU(s), you can use Badaboom. Doesn't have a queue for batch conversions, but I get 250fps on my 250GTS.

badaboomit.com

On topic:

Bionic. I must get it. And a TouchPad.

Umm, I know it's not clock speed alone. Trust me, I've been building systems for almost 20 years now, back into the old 80286 days when Cache was physical EEPROMs that you had to manually install on your motherboard.

My previous machine was getting a bit old, being a Core2Quad 6600 OC'd to 3.2 GHz (but still, only 4 cores). The Core i7 965 EE I bought almost 2 years ago but ran out of funds to build a machine around.

I just recently did that though - built my new rig around the CPU I had bought. Core i7 965 EE (most definitely trumps that C2Q by a long shot) along with 12 GB of high performance Mushkin RAM. I'm not even OC'd yet, running stock at 3.2 GHz.

And I still bet even money that I've probably shaved off a good 30% off my convert times....when using HB. Using this, I might achieve 50% or more. I'll see. For reference, I'll convert the exact same BD I did before.

Oh, yeah - all old profiles were lost - along with a very very large set of data, when the Drives were trashed. Seagate wants $800 for recovery, but with my university screwing around with my tuition reimbursement 8and* assistanceship, I have to say no to the recovery now. Thus, no old data.

The drives I have now are barely 2 weeks old.

Badaboomit - huh, a nice use of CUDA, I presume? This just keeps getting better and better - I wonder if I can get a conversion of the BD in under 2 hours now?

Back OT here as well - yeah, the Bionic is a done deal, unless it simply doesn't materialize - if it's a go, I'm buying it.

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

Pfft. Trial ware. Let me look around for something similar that's pure CUDA....

And I wonder if anyone is writing these apps in .NET, and using F# for the conversion algorithms - it'd make for a smaller codebase, that's for sure....

tehsusenoh · Aug 26, 2011

johnlgalt said:
Pfft. Trial ware. Let me look around for something similar that's pure CUDA....

And I wonder if anyone is writing these apps in .NET, and using F# for the conversion algorithms - it'd make for a smaller codebase, that's for sure....

.NET and F#?

I have never used those languages; I'm a Java guy.

I've never found a CUDA converter that's free. I have Badaboom, and find it great for converting things like one file. I've used Xilisoft's video converter (it uses CUDA and ATI stream), but the acceleration doesn't actually work.

Tell me how VidCoder works! Don't forget to choose x64 if you have an x64 Windows installation.

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

tehsusenoh said:
.NET and F#?

I have never used those languages; I'm a Java guy.

I've never found a CUDA converter that's free. I have Badaboom, and find it great for converting things like one file. I've used Xilisoft's video converter (it uses CUDA and ATI stream), but the acceleration doesn't actually work.

Tell me how VidCoder works! Don't forget to choose x64 if you have an x64 Windows installation.

That sucks. A free CUDA based converter would be awesome. I need to find some way of making it happen....

A pair of GTX 260s helps lol

tehsusenoh · Aug 26, 2011

johnlgalt said:
That sucks. A free CUDA based converter would be awesome. I need to find some way of making it happen....

A pair of GTX 260s helps lol

Just saw your other post.

johnlgalt said:
Umm, I know it's not clock speed alone. Trust me, I've been building systems for almost 20 years now, back into the old 80286 days when Cache was physical EEPROMs that you had to manually install on your motherboard.

My previous machine was getting a bit old, being a Core2Quad 6600 OC'd to 3.2 GHz (but still, only 4 cores). The Core i7 965 EE I bought almost 2 years ago but ran out of funds to build a machine around.

I just recently did that though - built my new rig around the CPU I had bought. Core i7 965 EE (most definitely trumps that C2Q by a long shot) along with 12 GB of high performance Mushkin RAM. I'm not even OC'd yet, running stock at 3.2 GHz.

And I still bet even money that I've probably shaved off a good 30% off my convert times....when using HB. Using this, I might achieve 50% or more. I'll see. For reference, I'll convert the exact same BD I did before.

Oh, yeah - all old profiles were lost - along with a very very large set of data, when the Drives were trashed. Seagate wants $800 for recovery, but with my university screwing around with my tuition reimbursement 8and* assistanceship, I have to say no to the recovery now. Thus, no old data.

The drives I have now are barely 2 weeks old.

Badaboomit - huh, a nice use of CUDA, I presume? This just keeps getting better and better - I wonder if I can get a conversion of the BD in under 2 hours now?

Back OT here as well - yeah, the Bionic is a done deal, unless it simply doesn't materialize - if it's a go, I'm buying it.

20 years is more than I've been alive.

I have had computers that old, and I keep their parts around as memorabilia. I have a closet dedicated to computer stuff, and within is a lovely trio of P4-era computers, running as servers, all running Arch Linux. A few are off to the side that I haven't repaired back to working states.

I've wanted to build an awesome system, but my dad doesn't want to. He says what I have is good already. I'll just have to wait for this one to die. I hope not anytime soon, as I have a functioning tri-boot between Win7, Linux Mint, and OSX Leopard.

johnlgalt · Aug 26, 2011

Lol - Leopard? Hmmm - wonder how you managed that?

OK, we've hijacked this thread enough....

Pentile screen? Really that bad?

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