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Root clueless NooB with ? About root and ROMS and what not

Ok, so ive had my charge since about 2 weeks after it came out and been tossin around the idea of rooting. With the update this mornin, Iwhich I believe was GB, I've been tryin to research this more, but it left me with more question.

1st off, im totally green to this so I need a run down of some things.

Kernals, clockworkmods, voodoo, ee4s, gummy's, honeycombs, all this talk of different ROMS? I think my research made more questons. Whats all that mean?

What are the ups and downs of custom ROMS? Us there reasons y I sgouldnt do any of this?

I basically need a full break down and im really lookin to just do an entry level deal for now till I get a better understanding of all this.

Hope this isnt too much to ask for a first post and sorry its so long.
 
Welcome to the AndroidForums, Rollincoal420. Not a long post at all :).

We've all had the same questions as you at one point in time.

Basically, custom ROMs are alternate versions of Android that ROM developers have created and for which you'll need be to rooted to install.

I'm a firm believer that rooting should be done only when you are well-informed of not only the benefits, but of the potential pitfalls, and consequences.

Here's a few threads that might answer a few of your questions:

http://androidforums.com/faqs/443075-root-terminology.html

http://androidforums.com/faqs/443432-what-root-being-rooted-mean.html

I'm sure others here will jump-in with some good stuff of their own, too.

Cheers and glad you signed-up with us here at AF :).
 
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Ok, so ive followed up on the links and done some more reading, I think I have a slightly better understanding about this topic and the terminology, but still not quite comfortable doin this on my own yet. Ha, I think what I need is someone in knoxville who knows what the hell they are doing. I can do it, just would really like some seriouse "tech support" while this its goin down if you catch my drift. I seen the step by step instructions and am sure I could accomplish everything but I would still not have a full understanding of what I would be doing. And if something screws up, forget about it. I would have to go back to using my old a$$ droid eris.
 
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I have a very detailed set of instructions over on at...
http://www.toms-world.org/android/

Ok. I read the instruction and it sound pretty straight forward. Is all them downloads
Downloaded to the computer or phone first? Also, the kernel will have "not factory" roms that work well with it and better than stock or will I need to find that aswell?

Rollincoal420, all:

I've moved this thread to the all-things-root sub-forum (not sure why I didn't do this last night, LOL :eek: ;)).

I'm sure the folks that hang-out there might give you some great, Charge-specific help with any questions you might have.

Cheers!

Thanks... I think, right? Lol
 
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Yes, even if you think your phone is frozen or locked up during rooting or flashing, LET IT SIT, wait 10-15 minutes before assuming it is frozen. That is about all the advice I can give on the rooting, I am a soon to be owner of the Charge, but have rooted several fassy's which uses the exact same process. It really is not that bad, my first fassy root I was sweating bullets that I would screw up (same when I rooted my Eris all those eons ago it seems like), but now I can go to full stock with re-partition and pit, and then back to root and be fully functional with all my apps in about 20 minutes now. Sometimes I even change ROMs just because now. So dont despair you will get the hang of it quick and be flying through it in no time. Make sure you stick to the instructions and double check everything you do before you do it...ie PDA button not phone, I even did a full data wipe without a backup because I was in too much of a hurry...oops...Have fun rooting
 
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Well....we shall see how it goes. Its about 5 minutes into rebooting. I'm kinda on edge right now. Got alittle confused for a minute with the odin program but think I got it figured out. And made sure I used the PDA button on Odin. I hope I understood that right. Lookin at 7 minutes not at the "Samsung" screen
 
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It wouldnt go any further so I yanked the battery and tried to restart the phone. Still nothin so I went back through and tried the process again, checking everything twice. This time I got a chick computer voice tellin me something about partitions and 10 minutes and some other stuff I couldnt understand. Whats this mean? Whats going on?


Update: That sexy chick kept talking to me and now the phone is back up and running and everything seems fine. But.... how do I know if I have root access?
 
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Root check says I have root access. Thanks everyone. Followed the directions from the link Trparky posted.

Where do I stand? Like the Rom and bloated stuff? Dont want everyone to think I'm trying to get you guys to set my phone up for me, I'm simply looking for advice from people who have more knowledge than I do with this and would like to get my phone to a point where it runs faster, increase its capability, and be safe while I learn what it takes to tune my phone.

Where would you recommend I go from here? Do I still need to update ROMS or debloat? From what I have learned from the everyones posts and reading a bunch of info, I would like to tweak the radio, as my 4g is spotty at times, but would rather not if the process if beyond my skill level as I understand if its not right it could really hinder things or eff things up. Same goes for over clocking.

One of the things I was hoping to do with the root access was get ride of some of the apps that come on the phone that are just wasting space and yet in the app manager, it will not give me the option to uninstall some of them, others will let me uninstall yet they still show up.

I will stop with that, as I dont want to get too far ahead, but I warn you, I'm getting really intrigued and there will be more to come. Thanks to everyone for there help so far!!!
 
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To uninstall the bloat, go to the Android Marketplace and first download Titanium Backup and install it. Then find Titanium Backup Pro, buy it and install it. Believe you me, having Titanium Backup is just one of the wonderful things you can do with having root.

Once you install Titanium Backup Pro, launch it and go to the "Backup/Restore" tab. You will see a listing of apps that are on your phone. You can click on an App to see a menu of things you can do including uninstall it. But, don't uninstall everything. I've compiled a list of apps that are safe to remove/uninstall, that can be found here.
 
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Ok. Got the titanium back up and will debloat this thing in a bit.

Now please correct me cause I am mostlikely wrong, but ROM is "read only memory" and pertains to a hard drive on computer? If thats the case, give me a break down of how you can download custom ROMs. Now I put the Imoseyon's kernel for GB. Now does that have diffrent ROMs from a non rooted, stock phone? What exactly will diffrent ROM do for me... in laymens terms. I've read a bunch of stuff but some of it still dont make sense to me. I'm not the most computer or technology savvy person.


Debloated. WOW it opened up almost half of my internal storage!! I think you guys my be some of the smartest people I've delt with. (I deal with alot of idiots at work)
 
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Believe me, I knew next to nothing about Android up until I bought my Droid Charge six months ago. I was an iPhone user who graduated to a real smart phone.

Being the geek that I am I wanted to learn everything I could about the platform my phone was running. Now, I don't pretend to know everything but I know a lot. As for making ROMs and themes, I leave that up to the real experts who know a lot more than I do and those that have a much better eye for design than I do.

Yes, ROM stands for Read-Only Memory but in the case of Android phones, ROMs are used to describe the operating system package that's loaded onto the phone's internal memory storage device that ordinarily is read-only.

Custom ROMs are either downloaded to the phone using a utility called ODIN on Windows machines or by using CWM (Clockwork Recovery MOD).

Clockwork Recovery MOD is a modification of the stock Android Recovery Environment, the same environment that you used to apply the update.zip package but it can do so much more. It can install ROMs, format internal partitions, clear cache, clear Dalvik, install themes, make and restore full Android system backups, etc.

A full Android System Backup is kind of like making a disk image of your computer's hard drive. Say you make a full Android backup via CWM and you are forced to get a new phone. You would then flash CWM via ODIN, get into CWM, flash a kernel (you need to do this first), and the restore the backup you made. When you reboot after that everything you had on the phone before including apps, data, SMS, everything, would be restored as if nothing ever happened.

ODIN is the sledgehammer of Android tools for the Droid Charge. This is about as low-level as you can get. If used wrong, you can really brick your phone. Only use this under the advisement of people like myself to direct you through the process of using it. If ODIN gives you an error, say like the checksum of a ROM package failed, listen to it, don't try and work around it. If it says that a ROM package is bad, then it's bad. If at all possible, only use ROM packages that end in tar.md5 because that contains checksum information that ODIN uses to make sure that the ROM package you're trying to load is an intact package.

Kernels, such as iMoseyOn's kernel is not a ROM. ROMs however are built around it. The kernel is the base of everything, think of it as the traffic cop for the phone. All data, commands, and activities must pass through the kernel and the kernel does the work.

Other ROMs are just that, different operating system packages that third-party developers put together for the phone. They may have a different look, different apps bundled with it, etc.

Yes, there is a lot of bloat that Verizon foisted on us. Getting rid of it all opens up a whole lot more space for you to install what you want, apps, etc.

I know that this was long winded. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them as best as I can.
 
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So what I'm gathering, since I debloated my junk, its essentially doing the same as installing a custom ROM? Without visual changes like icons, text fonts, colors and such. A custom ROM will not have much to do with the performance and speed at which the phone operates at. That comes from the kernel? If I want to make the phone perform faster when loading pages, switching between apps, things of that nature, just general use, that would be from a kernel? or overclocking the cpu? I wouldnt mind being able to have more control over the clock speed, but I hear it can cause problems if not careful with overclocking.

Now your talking about partitions and cache and Delvik????
Delvik makes me think of the oil I run in my diesel truck.

As far as themes and appearances, how would I go about playing with them, changing them around, what not?

How well of a kernel? is iMoseyOn's? Whats the difference between that and others that are being used with gingerbread? What might other ones offer that this one doesnt?

What is Voodoo? I read alot containing Voodoo yet still dont really know exactly what it is.


As far as a backup with clockwork, didnt I do that when I went through the root process using CWM and Odin?

What are somethings to look into or consider that will compliment the setup I am running? I dont necessarily need you to tell me what things to download, simply looking for advice on options that will work well with what I'm running so I can make an educated decision on the installs and have a good understanding on what they bring to the table. (altho if links are posted on what rout to take, I wont look the other way)

Hope you guys dont mind... The deep I get into this, the longer I can keep this going. I'm the same way, I want to know everything I possibly can once I get interested in something
 
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So what I'm gathering, since I debloated my junk, its essentially doing the same as installing a custom ROM? Without visual changes like icons, text fonts, colors and such.
Essentially.

A custom ROM will not have much to do with the performance and speed at which the phone operates at. That comes from the kernel?
Yes. ROMs are still limited by the efficiency of the kernel and underlying drivers that drive the hardware.

Kind of like when a driver is bad it caused Windows to run shitty. But if you have good drivers, Windows runs great and stable.

If I want to make the phone perform faster when loading pages, switching between apps, things of that nature, just general use, that would be from a kernel?
Yes.

iMoseyOn will be working on his kernel soon that's going to be based upon the source code that was released by Samsung. One of the things he's going to do is strip the kernel down to the bare essentials for the phone to work thus making the kernel fast and efficient.

overclocking the cpu? I wouldnt mind being able to have more control over the clock speed, but I hear it can cause problems if not careful with overclocking.
Personally, I'd stay away from overclocking.

Now your talking about partitions and cache and Delvik???? Dalvik makes me think of the oil I run in my diesel truck.
Partitions are logical separations that split the internal memory of the Droid Charge into parts where different areas of the operating system reside. Dalvik Cache is a part of the phone that stores fully compiled versions of the apps you run on your phone. Without it, the phone would be as slow as... Blackberries. But if you change things on your phone, you need to clear the Dalvik Cache and let the phone rebuild it which it does upon the first boot after you clear it.

As far as themes and appearances, how would I go about playing with them, changing them around, what not?
That is done via CWM.

How well of a kernel? is iMoseyOn's? Whats the difference between that and others that are being used with gingerbread? What might other ones offer that this one doesnt?
iMoseyOn took the default kernel that comes with the ROM and added things onto it. But, it's essentially still the stock kernel except with things bolted onto it. There are no custom kernels out yet.

What is Voodoo? I read alot containing Voodoo yet still dont really know exactly what it is.
Voodoo stands for Voodoo Lag Fix, the act of converting the default file system used on the internal memory of the phone to EXT4 because the default file system's performance was atrocious.

As far as a backup with clockwork, didnt I do that when I went through the root process using CWM and Odin?
If you followed my rooting instructions, then yes... you did make a backup.

What are somethings to look into or consider that will compliment the setup I am running? I dont necessarily need you to tell me what things to download, simply looking for advice on options that will work well with what I'm running so I can make an educated decision on the installs and have a good understanding on what they bring to the table. (altho if links are posted on what rout to take, I wont look the other way)
If you have future questions, ask away and I'll (or someone else) will be able to help you get an answer.
 
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