Apple is screwed... lol

Szadzik · Sep 13, 2012

blenky said:
I think someone touched on this earlier. Apple and their loyal customers DO NOT compare the iPhone to other phones - they compare this iPhone to the last one.

Therefore in their eyes its an upgrade. They don't care if its inferior or superior to the competition because they aren't iPhone's

Exactly. This should basically answer all questions about the iPhone sale records. Those people have no clue, as they are told" 20% thinner, 18% lighter, etc., etc. They do not get information about other phones and they do not read about them, so they will never know. When exposed to people who do know, they sometimes see the rproblem with iPhones.

I used to have a few guys really into Apple stuff. I have shown them how much more Android can do, and now most of them use Android. This morning, everyone, even those using iPhones, just said naah, not getting i5, no point a sit offers nothing new or revolutionary.

Adter watching the conference last night, I thought about the video. How true it was.

LEAKED Official Apple iPhone 5 Promo Video - Keynote 2012 - YouTube

ryancalif · Sep 13, 2012

ylexot said:
First, screen resolution is ppi, not dpi. Second, the iPhone 5 has a slightly higher resolution. The iPhone 5 is at 326 ppi and the S3 is 306 ppi. You probably can't tell the difference between the two when it comes to resolution, but the S3 screen is MUCH bigger.

In theory, you can't tell ANY difference.

Apple Retina Display – Jonesblog

Unless of course you break out a magnifying glass.

naX · Sep 13, 2012

What's with this new connection. People aren't just upgrading there iphone to an iphone 5 they have to upgrade all there docks they have round the house.

Easilyamused · Sep 13, 2012

Actually I would have to say that in some respects, the statement regarding Android being "less smooth" is not entirely inaccurate. There's something to be said though for that aspect also being a negative. The entire "walled garden" philosophy and Apple's strict control over anything and everything on their App Store is the reason, but that same control is why so many Apple fans have become "bored" with iOS and have sought out alternatives such as Android.

And while Apple had a huge head start with iOS, every iteration of Android we've seen has given shown massive improvements, while the incremental iOS changes, which contributes to its stability and "smoothness", have hamstrung it in regards to innovation.

Android's "openess" has contributed to it's "trip ups", but is a much more interesting - and in some cases more useful, OS.

Each philosophy has its advantages and disadvantages, and depending on the user's own preferences and needs, either OS may be the best for them.

Ches111 · Sep 13, 2012

On a side note. I now know why Apple has remained a 4:3 device on their iPad. All the grief given Android tablets for scaling phone specific apps (same given to iPad) and they can not even scale their own displays. New iPad with revolutionary 16:9 display would require devs to re-compile with iPad scale

Unless of course there is an app for that

tdperry · Sep 13, 2012

Infernalblaze said:
Now I might not be a super business man but I mean I wouldn't want a phone that I would have to carry around another battery to use it all day. I mean that just seems kind of ridiculous to me.

The point is that you CAN carry one in case you need it. Let's see how you replace the battery with a spare when you use all the juice in it on that iPhone..... Oh, that's right, you can't.

tdperry · Sep 13, 2012

jam-bro said:
You are funny... I want a phone that works all the time. I don't want to try and fix the small glitches all the time. I've had both platforms and for me iOS is better. Just look at GS3 forum. You can't even copy'n'paste without the GS3 crashing. Now that is lame. I like this from the article,"The Samsung Galaxy S3 has a ton of really neat, innovative new features, but it also has far more trip-ups, which make for a less smooth experience overall." For each his own, but I don't like to live in denial.

Here is a review from CNET...

iPhone 5 vs. Galaxy S3 vs. Lumia 920: By the numbers | iPhone Atlas - CNET Reviews

I've used the copy and paste feature on my S3 numerous times without it crashing. I have a lot more crashes (applications) on my iPad than I do on any of my Android phones.

ryancalif · Sep 13, 2012

tdperry said:
I've used the copy and paste feature on my S3 numerous times without it crashing. I have a lot more crashes (applications) on my iPad than I do on any of my Android phones.

I was just going to say the same thing.

And not even with app store apps... the native apps crash. Safari crashes all the time.

THE W · Sep 13, 2012

Easilyamused said:
Actually I would have to say that in some respects, the statement regarding Android being "less smooth" is not entirely inaccurate. There's something to be said though for that aspect also being a negative. The entire "walled garden" philosophy and Apple's strict control over anything and everything on their App Store is the reason, but that same control is why so many Apple fans have become "bored" with iOS and have sought out alternatives such as Android.

And while Apple had a huge head start with iOS, every iteration of Android we've seen has given shown massive improvements, while the incremental iOS changes, which contributes to its stability and "smoothness", have hamstrung it in regards to innovation.

Android's "openess" has contributed to it's "trip ups", but is a much more interesting - and in some cases more useful, OS.

Each philosophy has its advantages and disadvantages, and depending on the user's own preferences and needs, either OS may be the best for them.

true.

with all the functionality and capability of android OS there are gonna be potholes. though i personally believe the majority of these "potholes" are self inflicted by users tinkering with things they shouldnt. i've owned a LG connect and a LG motion and havent had any of the issues that many people here have claimed.

its easy to be more smooth when your OS is in a straightjacket. other than jailbreaking, which i hear doesnt give you that much control even still, iOS doesnt allow you tinker with anything saving the user from themselves.

what you do have to give apple props for is understanding that most phone users would actually fit in that straightjacket. most people dont do anything fancy with their phones. they dont mod, root/jailbreak, or try to add software on the phone that wouldnt be there normally so iOSs proprietory nature works for people and works for apple as it becomes an easier OS to keep in tune.

artman540 · Sep 13, 2012

ylexot said:
First, screen resolution is ppi, not dpi. Second, the iPhone 5 has a slightly higher resolution. The iPhone 5 is at 326 ppi and the S3 is 306 ppi. You probably can't tell the difference between the two when it comes to resolution, but the S3 screen is MUCH bigger.

What makes me lawl is that Apple fans would hate on the Galaxy nexus screen at 316ppi and the Rezound screen 342ppi saying, "it's no Retina Display."

Shocky · Sep 13, 2012

CuBz said:
As long as my S3 is running smooth with no hitches then what does it matter if the iPhone 5 has a "better" GPU. I don't need my S3 to be "twice as fast" as it's fast enough already. I love the HD screen on the S3, the i5 doesn't have a HD screen and it won't look "just as good". Some things like photos may look better on the i5 but things like HD videos will definitely be better to view on the S3.

Definitely look better? in terms of image quality that remains to be seen given the SAMOLED HD display uses pentile.

It's a 4" screen but it's got a higher pixel density, don't get caught up to much on the "HD" resolution because it doesnt matter.

What matters is pixel density.

ylexot said:
. Second, the iPhone 5 has a slightly higher resolution. The iPhone 5 is at 326 ppi and the S3 is 306 ppi. You probably can't tell the difference between the two when it comes to resolution, but the S3 screen is MUCH bigger.

The iPhone 5 resolution is 1136 x 640, Galaxy S3 is 1280*720, so no the iPhone 5 does not have a higher resolution, but does have a higher ppi.

But I knew what you ment. :rolleyes:

Easilyamused said:
Based on what?

Well they did say the GPU was twice as fast, that would easily make it equal or faster then the SGX543MP4 in the iPad.

They said the same about the CPU, but given the iPhone 4s used a 800MHz Cortex A9, 2x the performance could be accomplished in a number of ways, doesn't mean it's a Cortex A15, could be a higher clocked A9 or could be Quad Core.

Ches111 · Sep 13, 2012

Just one response to Apple users about the iPhone 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4#!

r12rtpilot · Sep 13, 2012

THE W said:
The specs won't be worth mentioning and it's still gonna sell well because apple has built a customer base with strong brand loyalty. An iphone user won't be able to say they have a superior phone but they're still gonna buy apple simply because it's apple.

Many android users would probably buy iphones if they were seen to be truly superior technology. Not the same for iphone users to android.

+1

Steve

rushmore · Sep 13, 2012

Not seeing the point here. You will not find one analyst asserting the iPhone 5 is not going to be huge and recapture some lost market share. The point is the iPhone 5 will probably be a great device for Apple ecosystem fans and the GS3 is the same for Android fans.

I choose the GS3, but do not kid myself that the iPhone 5 will not be be the king- unless some crazy whack quality issue happens. A step-up device and a great app and add-on ecosystem is powerful to consumers.

There is hardly SQUAT for the GS3, in spite of millions sold. Apple docks, audio docks, etc are everywhere. The total package is powerful to consumers. Android devices are too fragmented to allow this type of aftermarket system. Apple beats Android in this regard.

Consumers are not just looking and the device, but also the ecosystem. THIS is where Samsung has dropped the ball for the GS3. Twenty million and no decent hardware add-on aftermarket??

Wisheezy · Sep 13, 2012

rushmore said:
Consumers are not just looking and the device, but also the ecosystem. THIS is where Samsung has dropped the ball for the GS3. Twenty million and no decent hardware add-on aftermarket??

What does that even mean?

chillibean · Sep 13, 2012

Had 2 iphone owners speak to me today about the iphone 5. One said they may get a Samsung s3 when they upgrade, and the other said that they don't see the point of upgrading to the 5 and will stick with their iphone 4.

We all had a laugh though at the ipod lumina, I mean nano

Easilyamused · Sep 13, 2012

Shocky said:
Well they did say the GPU was twice as fast, that would easily make it equal or faster then the SGX543MP4 in the iPad.

They said the same about the CPU, but given the iPhone 4s used a 800MHz Cortex A9, 2x the performance could be accomplished in a number of ways, doesn't mean it's a Cortex A15, could be a higher clocked A9 or could be Quad Core.

Well, I believe they claimed the SoC was twice as fast and the GPU was twice as "powerful" (comparing to the 4S), but that doesn't necessarily mean anything given Apple's vagueness in these matter - or the spin they put on such things.

I'm pretty certain it will be "fast enough", but their claims are still pretty generic and unsubstantiated... If there's anything we've learned about Apple it's that their image making and marketing is second to none

Will be interesting to see exactly once it's released and ppl start to tear these things apart.

kishin14 · Sep 13, 2012

THE W said:
build quality is totally subjective. some need a phone to be metal and some dont care. cosmetic preference. those aluminum backplates for iphones get scratched all to hell. you drop either of these phones and they're gonna break easily as they're both pretty thin.

I have to disagree. Build quality is not subjective at all. How much you care about it is. It's not just about durability, it's also about refinement and attention to detail. Based on Apple's presentation, their assembly process is so precise that differences between construction of one iPhone 5 an another is measured in microns. I can say to absolute certainty that Samsung was not this precise with the S3. How could they be when my S3 has jiggly buttons and my friend's doesn't? When my S3 has a darker back plate than his?

There's no question in my mind that if there was an android phone built with the same level of quality, consistency, and high-grade materials as the iPhone but with a larger screen, that would be the phone I would want. I think Moto's close. Having just played with the Razr M at a Verizon store, I can see that they're really attempting to give their phones a premium feel. I would place HTC second and Samsung a distant third.

commander24 · Sep 13, 2012

Just found this funny this morning...

Citizens Shown iPhone 4S, Told It Was The New iPhone 5, But Could They Notice The Difference? [VIDEO] | Redmond Pie

I guess this goes to show the power of the marketing to calm the masses :rolleyes:

CrimsonPride · Sep 13, 2012

Shocky said:
Why does is matter if it's HD or not? the dpi is still higher than Android phones because it's a 4" screen and not a 4.5" or 4.8" screen. It will still look just as good.

But the specs are better than most Android phones, GPU that's twice as fast as anything on Android and they are first with the new Cortex A15 while most Android phones are using Quad Core Cortex A9.

The only CPU we have simalar is Qualcomms Snapdragon S4., however Adreno 225 is very poor compared to the latest from PowerVR.

Ive always hated the dpi argument. Its like saying my old 32 inch 1080p tv is better than my new 55 inch 1080p tv because it has higher dpi.

THE W · Sep 13, 2012

kishin14 said:
I have to disagree. Build quality is not subjective at all. How much you care about it is.

exactly my point.

apart from a phone being so poorly built that it goes to pieces while holding it in my hand or while being in my pocket i could care less what material they used for it. neither phone is gonna fall apart unless you drop it so, for me, its a wash.

kishin14 · Sep 13, 2012

THE W said:
exactly my point.

apart from a phone being so poorly built that it goes to pieces while holding it in my hand or while being in my pocket i could care less what material they used for it. neither phone is gonna fall apart unless you drop it so, for me, its a wash.

Then you could say the same thing about hardware. As long as a phone runs smooth and relatively glitch free, and can handle all the stuff I throw at it, I could care less what generation processor or how much ram it has.

Besides, I seriously doubt most android fans, especially those posting in this thread, would switch even if the iPhone 5 did offer ridiculously superior specs like an 8-core 4g processor, 12 gigs of ram, 258 gig internal memory and a 6000mah battery. This makes most of the hardware arguments in this thread pretty meaningless and all the more laughable.

hbryder · Sep 13, 2012

Ches111 said:
Just one response to Apple users about the iPhone 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4#!

That's hilarious!!!!!!!!

davoid · Sep 13, 2012

Shocky said:
Why does is matter if it's HD or not? the dpi is still higher than Android phones because it's a 4" screen and not a 4.5" or 4.8" screen. It will still look just as good.

No it isn't. The Sony Experia S has 1280x720 pixels in a 4.3" display - which makes it a higher ppi than the iPhone. Besides, at pixel densities higher than 300ppi the human eye supposedly cannot resolve individual pixels. And of course it matters whether it is HD or not. If there are more pixels there is more detail. If you play a 720p encoded movie on the iPhone it needs to be scaled down, losing detail.

The fact that the HD display is larger and has a higher resolution means that if you put the two phones side by side, watching the same movie, your eyes would be drawn to the larger and more detailed display because you can see it more clearly.

jam-bro said:
You can't even copy'n'paste without the GS3 crashing. Now that is lame.

Rubbish. I've never experienced this issue on my S3. And while we're on the subject, I remember when I used to have a Blackberry, and we used to laugh at how the iPhone couldn't copy and paste. It wasn't a defect that made it crash. It was simply that Apple chose not to include it as a feature until the third iteration of the iPhone, the 3GS. Yes, only the last three iPhones have had the copy and paste feature. Now that is lame.

davoid · Sep 13, 2012

kishin14 said:
Besides, I seriously doubt most android fans, especially those posting in this thread, would switch even if the iPhone 5 did offer ridiculously superior specs like an 8-core 4g processor, 12 gigs of ram, 258 gig internal memory and a 6000mah battery. This makes most of the hardware arguments in this thread pretty meaningless and all the more laughable.

Hmm. I don't know... I might be tempted...

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