CyanogenMod vs anthrax-kernels.us

dibblebill said:

Curious, though, I've seen a few posts where Chad himself forgot his own admin passwords to the site. I'd like to see hard facts here, because I have a feeling that it may turn out that some people are letting their animosity get in the way of objectivity.

EDIT: I find it hilarious, personally, that they'll use CM kernels because Anthrax can't do something, then bash it for even existing. My argument is, don't like it, don't use it. Its entitled as hell to use it while insulting the person who created it.

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Can't comment on the first part, as really its going to be he said she said and you've got just to let the police report work itself out. I tend to stay out of those arguments because I'm not the one with the facts to make the decisions. I agree with you both sides are dug in, and at least to me its not really my place to determine who's right. I'm less concerned with all the drama than I am with getting to use IMO the best software for my phone

The second part I'm confused what you mean. Can you expand? Who is "they"? Who's using what? Whos criticizing what?

I joined the Anthrax group on Google+, and "they" are the people in the group. The entire group seems 100% dedicated to bashing CM and CM contributors with EVERY post.

Furthermore, they are PERFECTLY happy to use CM-based kernels by, say, invisibitek, then in the same sentence, talk about what a horrible person he is, and "he doesn't deserve credit for figuring this out", things like that. "It's okay to use it as long as you think Invisikang is a douchebag". This is the very height of entitlement, in my opinion. They go on and on about how CM sucks, but yet nobody can point me to ANthrax kernels for my devices. Why? They don't exist.

dibblebill said:

I joined the Anthrax group on Google+, and "they" are the people in the group. The entire group seems 100% dedicated to bashing CM and CM contributors with EVERY post.

Furthermore, they are PERFECTLY happy to use CM-based kernels by, say, invisibitek, then in the same sentence, talk about what a horrible person he is, and "he doesn't deserve credit for figuring this out", things like that. "It's okay to use it as long as you think "XXXXX". This is the very height of entitlement, in my opinion. They go on and on about how CM sucks, but yet nobody can point me to ANthrax kernels for my devices. Why? They don't exist.

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The code you see from CM ROMS or kernels are freely available for anyone to see and review (https://github.com/CyanogenMod), you don't have to be running the software. The images you see are just that. People grabbing the code online from public githubs and making comparisons and statements based off that. In fact I'd wager most everyone in that group are NOT running anything CM-related

As far as the quotes... people have their opinions, and they're formed based on the long legal past of both parties.

Chad doesn't develop for the nexus 10, so thats why you can't be pointed to a kernel for your device. In the event you had a device that he developed for, you can only download the kernels from his website, after being approved. Thats how he gets around posting source, because hes registered anthrax kernels as a company and his kernels are privately distributed through that website. The GPL makes exceptions allowing for companies to not have to have source available in a private distribution within the company. The closed source nature of chads kernels is at the heart of the bickering between both sides. As far as I know Chads system has held up to the legal system so far.

Once again, I'm not trying to argue one side or the other, but just present information so you can understand where all of this originates from. You're free to form your own opinions based on that

Although the discussion on G+ gets very childish quickly, I know we can hold ourselves to higher standards here . They definately have an uphill PR battle to fight, and I'll readily admit I'm not always the most liked person on their website (I'm not in the G+ group) for voicing my opinion of them going about things the wrong way at times.

Thank you for the lengthy explanation. It answers a lot of questions. I only saw a couple guys on there claiming to run CM based Kernels. Specifically, Kernels by Cyanogenmod contributors. It did make me laugh, given the attitude, but now I have a better understanding of the situation.

Ill check out their community lol. It cant be as catty and rude as cyanogen's
P.s, do they build for i9300 RX?

No clue. They say they only do Snappdragon SOC's. Also, yeah, its much worse than CM's community.

dibblebill said:

Also, yeah, its much worse than CM's community.

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The only time you see any of the public side of the anthrax community is when something like what just happened goes down. That's what I meant on my previous post about a PR problem.

Up until what this lockout incident, the public g+ page was used only for other announcements when the site was down and chads occasional postings about how he builds kernels.

The "public" has no clue what goes on in either anthrax's forum or cyanogens private chats.

I'm not saying either are angels, but its hard to really judge either side from what ultimately is the developer equivalent of a flame war.

I think a better analogy is more like 2 dogs that are perfectly happy on their walk until they get within sight of each other and start barking and trying to run toward one another

funkylogik said:

P.s, do they build for i9300 RX?

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Nope. Chad builds for the devices he owns. Since he lives in the US, there won't be a kernel for the international S3. You guys use a different chip, and therefore need a different kernel (the kernel source for all versions of the US S3 is unified)

Thanks man. The curse of Exynos

Thanks for all the clarification.

funkylogik said:

Thanks man. The curse of Exynos

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I'd rather have that exynos

If i remember right It really gave aosp developers trouble for a while.

Performance wise there weren't much differences when you take into account the ram

djedgarftw said:

I'd rather have that exynos

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Why lol? In benchmarks the i9300 usually scores higher but thats just benchmarks. Im sure they feel the same in real use. As RX says, the samsung chipset makes things harder for devs and there seems to be much more support for the qualcam ones. Id much rather have the 2gb ram for futureproofness

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Why lol? In benchmarks the i9300 usually scores higher but thats just benchmarks. Im sure they feel the same in real use. As RX says, the samsung chipset makes things harder for devs and there seems to be much more support for the qualcam ones. Id much rather have the 2gb ram for futureproofness

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I never said give up the 2gb of ram

Ahh lol. Now that would be nice

XDA seem to be (im not sure how to say this without breaking the rules by defaming another site).... well, its just not cricket!

funkylogik said:

XDA seem to be (im not sure how to say this without breaking the rules by defaming another site).... well, its just not cricket!

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What are you talking about? Did I miss something?

They arent even allowing peeps to have anything anthrax related in their sig mate
https://plus.google.com/115420577034020766941/posts/72DwaUR7Wn6
Ive been doing my bit at spreading AF lol

Freedom of speech or not, it is and should be a site owner's perogative to block topics they don't like. Is it good for their public image? Probably not. I have to wonder if there is any merit to the GPL accusations that started this. If not, an apology should be issued. If yes, then Anthrax should save face and discontinue their campaign.

dibblebill said:

Freedom of speech or not, it is and should be a site owner's perogative to block topics they don't like. Is it good for their public image? Probably not. I have to wonder if there is any merit to the GPL accusations that started this. If not, an apology should be issued. If yes, then Anthrax should save face and discontinue their campaign.

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We do the same thing here as far as site owners having come to a decision about what is OK and what isn't OK to post. Its all laid out in Phases forum rules post in the intro forum, so I can understand where they're coming from there. Their site, their rules.

As far as the GPL... I personally don't think a violation happened. If it had, chad legally wouldn't be able to use the Linux kernel in his work. He would have lost his rights to the license, and the code covered under it.

I mentioned before he's gone to court multiple times over this, so Its not like it was just threatened and nothing happened. He's been sued and is still able to make them.

There are devs on XDA who have admitted GPL violations and they're still making kernels posted on XDA for many devices today. So IMO their issue with it goes much deeper than a GPL violation.

But this happened so long ago and the posts on xda were deleted so quickly its hard to find real evidence one way or the other. XDA isn't going to apologize, and chad isn't going to stop building kernels, so life just goes on

I agree that its a sites perogative to have its own rules but rules can be used in different ways and its upto the users (customers) to decide on the morals behind the decision