4.4.3

RCG said:

Anybody?

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Can you be more specific?

Mikessv said:

Can you be more specific?

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I think it's a question as to whether anyone has had the update yet. All I've seen on the net is that it is due to roll out soon

April 21st, supposedly.

RCG said:

Sorry, yes, I'm asking if anyone has it yet.

Just eager.

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Oh okay

RCG said:

Maybe I'll get dog-piled for this, but Google is just as annoying, in their own infuriating way, when it comes to giving out information, as Apple is.

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No, you won't... spirited debate, but no bashing!

"Soon" doesn't mean a damned thing, and the cryptic "announcements" they give out (reluctantly) are about as uninformative as you can get.

After touting the Nexus series as the phone which will "always have the very latest, pure Android, OS" now they are saying that the nexus 4 may not get 4.4.3. Mine isn't even a year old ... I bought it in the end of June, 2013.

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The phone may not be a year old to you, but it is almost 18 months old now (released mid-November 2012) and they have brought out a new Nexus since then (Nexus 5 released on 31st October).

All in all, I am not a happy camper right now.

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I too bought my N4 (at the beginning of March 2013), as it is a Nexus and would be one of the first to get any new updates... I'm not sure how much this update will bring though, from some of the stuff I've read on the interwebz:

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RCG said:

After touting the Nexus series as the phone which will "always have the very latest, pure Android, OS" now they are saying that the nexus 4 may not get 4.4.3. Mine isn't even a year old ... I bought it in the end of June, 2013.

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As previously stated, the device is 18 months old (even if yours is less than a year). Google doesn't support their Nexus devices indefinitely. To reiterate what I posted elsewhere:

Medion said:

Nexus One - released with Android 2.1
Nexus S - released with Android 2.3
Galaxy Nexus - released with Android 4.0, this update does not come to the Nexus One (final update was 2.3.7).
Nexus 4 - released with Android 4.2, this update does not come to the Nexus S (final update was 4.1.2).
Nexus 5 - released with Android 4.4, this update does not come to the Galaxy Nexus (final update was 4.3).

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Your expectation should be to receive any further 4.4.x updates, if any, that offer bug fixes for your devices. Google has, in the past, skipped x.x.1 updates on their Nexus devices if the update didn't offer anything for that particular device.

If a 4.5 or 5.x update comes out with a summer tablet release, you can expect a reasonable shot at that as well. And when Google launches their next OS and device around October, going by previous timelines, you can expect that update to NOT come to your Nexus 4.

Anything deviating from what I just outlined would go against Google's history. But as always, past performance does not guarantee future performance

RCG said:

All in all, I am not a happy camper right now.

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Why, doesn't your phone work? If it does work then surely you have nothing to complain about. If you want the latest updates, then maybe buy the latest phones?

Medion said:

As previously stated, the device is 18 months old (even if yours is less than a year). Google doesn't support their Nexus devices indefinitely

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I can see RCG point here. Dropping support 12 months after you stop selling a device - a device sold on the fact it will be well supported - when across the industry, devices are typically sold on 2 year contracts (OK, not Nexus per se, but they're still part of the same market) really is pretty poor.

Sure, devices can't be supported for ever, but I think 36 months - enough to allow 2 years of upgrades to your late adopter customers - following release is not unreasonable.

Having said that, Android releases stopped being too exciting quite some time back, plus from a purely selfish perspective, I'm probably going to be in the market for the next new toy when the N6 comes out anyway

I thought that Google had said that they will support devices for 2 years?

Unfortunately, if you were a late adopter, like me, then it's your own lookout. Think 2 years of official support and as much love as Devs want to give isn't too bad though.

I just Googled 4.3.3 and the five or six articles I read, all included the GNex 4 in the upgrade.
And what is this crap XP not being supported........ (G)

From the limited searches I've done, I've seen that N4, N5, N7 and N10 are all getting it... as I said, almost all I've read says that the update won't bring new features, rather bug fixes, which is why I am happy to just wait till it drops

D-U-R-X said:

From the limited searches I've done, I've seen that N4, N5, N7 and N10 are all getting it... as I said, almost all I've read says that the update won't bring new features, rather bug fixes, which is why I am happy to just wait till it drops

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One of the things it is supposed to fix are some blue tooth issues. I have been having blue tooth issues ever since I installed A Garmin app. I uninstalled it, but the issues continue. Coincidence..Maybe.

Not sure... don't use blue tooth, so wasn't even aware of a bug!

Remember that future versions of Android will come to this device for a LONG time from the development community... Even the original Nexus One has KitKat in many flavors (CyanogenMod, Beanstalk, Evervolv, CarbonROM... maybe more) that are stable and fully usable.

I fully expect up to 3 or 4 more years of "unofficial updates" from the development community, if the hardware holds out and there isn't some drastic change that makes newer code incompatible with the hardware.

SiempreTuna said:

can see RCG point here. Dropping support 12 months after you stop selling a device - a device sold on the fact it will be well supported - when across the industry, devices are typically sold on 2 year contracts (OK, not Nexus per se, but they're still part of the same market) really is pretty poor.

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Google doesn't drop support of their Nexus devices after 12 months. I don't know where you get that from. Support through OS updates is officially dropped after 24 months on Nexus devices (with the final updates typically coming in the 20-24 months range). My prior post stated this.

SiempreTuna said:

Sure, devices can't be supported for ever, but I think 36 months - enough to allow 2 years of upgrades to your late adopter customers - following release is not unreasonable.

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Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Apple's OS combines both the featureset and the APIs. Google has separated the features sets (OS version number) and APIs (Google Play services). Yes, Apple released iOS 7 for the iPhone 4 (released in June 2010), except that it's virtually unusable and lacks the majority of features found on the 5, 5s, and 5c. The iPhone is notorious for smooth operation until about the 2nd update, at which point, it starts to become laggy. The iPhone 4 is a lagfest on iOS 7.

Compare this with Google's method where phones stop getting OS (feature) updates at the end of the line, but continue to get the under-the-hood updates (Google Play Services) for a long time. GPS just recently cut off support for Android 2.2. That means that any Android phone with version 2.3 or higher can run the modern APIs (oldest phone I'm aware of supporting this is the Xperia X10 released in 2009!).

Yes, there are apps that require a specific android version. There are also numerous apps that require a minimum iOS device. No matter how long an OS is updated, there will be hardware limitations on any brand's devices.

D-U-R-X said:

I thought that Google had said that they will support devices for 2 years?

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It's minimum 18 months, with some lately pledging a minimum of 2 years (HTC, OnePlus). Samsung has been doing minimum of 2 years since the Galaxy S II (and they tried with the original Galaxy S but ran into the same ROM issue as the Nexus One).

jhonb said:

I just Googled 4.3.3 and the five or six articles I read, all included the GNex 4 in the upgrade.
And what is this crap XP not being supported........ (G)

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There is no Android 4.3.3. There was 4.2.2, then 4.3 (no 4.3.x), and then 4.4. There was a 4.3.1, but it was a bugfix update for the Nexus 7 LTE model only.

Windows XP is older than my kids. Microsoft supported it longer than any company has supported a modern OS. There have been 3 mainstream OS launches since (Vista, 7, and 8, if you don't count 8.1 as separate). XP was beyond needing to be put to pasture.

Its a great thing that Nexus devices are 1: Easy to root and 2: Have a huge dev community. I have a Nexus 7 2013 took it home unwrapped it and had it rooted and rom in 20 minutes lol.

Also the new Google Os Lollipop was announced and reportedly going to be shipped with the Nexus 8.

Mikessv said:

Also the new Google Os Lollipop was announced and reportedly going to be shipped with the Nexus 8.

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It hasn't been announced yet (the OS update nor the Nexus tablet). They're all still a mashup of leaks and rumors.

Medion said:

It hasn't been announced yet (the OS update nor the Nexus tablet). They're all still a mashup of leaks and rumors.

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Yeah I know

Mikessv said:

Also the new Google Os Lollipop was announced and reportedly going to be shipped with the Nexus 8.

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Nothing will be announced until Google I/O in June at the earliest.

Anything you read talking about what the version number is, what it will be called, or what features it will have are nothing but rumors and can be taken with a grain of salt.

Many android tech articles cite each other or a "source close to the matter", so its near impossible to lend any credibility to them.

The rumor mill has fooled many before, and its only a matter of time before it happens again

I'm a little disappointed at how long its taking to get 4.4.3 out. By the time its released I/O will be upon us and we'll then be wanting Lollipop (or whatever its called).

Early rumours just make me more anxious

ooberandy said:

I'm a little disappointed at how long its taking to get 4.4.3 out. By the time its released I/O will be upon us and we'll then be wanting Lollipop (or whatever its called).

Early rumours just make me more anxious

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They are releasing 4.4.3 today for the T-Mobile Nexus 5 and 7

4.4.3 Nexus 4 factory image is posted:https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/occam-ktu84l-factory-0d3fd624.tgz

OTA should be coming soon.