Note 3 users going to the Note 4

rushmore said:

Such restrained reasoning is too wise for these inherently compulsive forums

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Lol

rushmore said:

True the S4 and Note 3 are not exactly the fastest to focus. Note 4 faster?

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Yes much faster. The Note 3 and S4 are both faster than the S3 and Note 2.

I like how someone responded to me by quoting the twisted version of what I said that someone else gave.

GSMarena review says battery life is a little better than the N3 and over three hours more screen on time than the G3. Given the G3 has a smaller display, that points out how much a power piggy the G3 display really is.

The review mentions the G3 in comparison and points out the much shorter battery life for real use, rather than weighing with short SOT as other reviews did.

rushmore said:

GSMarena review says battery life is a little better than the N3 and over three hours more screen on time than the G3. Given the G3 has a smaller display, that points out how much a power piggy the G3 display really is.

The review mentions the G3 in comparison and points out the much shorter battery life for real use, rather than weighing with short SOT as other reviews did.

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Well, the g3 is 300mah less than the Note 4, at 3k mah, so that should be a consideration as well. The g3 gets better screen on time than the Note 2 did and the Note 2 had same size screen and was only 720p. That is just comparing when I had the Note 2, which to me was awesome (imo, better than note 3).

drexappeal said:

Well, the g3 is 300mah less than the Note 4, at 3k mah, so that should be a consideration as well. The g3 gets better screen on time than the Note 2 did and the Note 2 had same size screen and was only 720p. That is just comparing when I had the Note 2, which to me was awesome (imo, better than note 3).

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The 300 mah would bridge about 30 minutes at best and then that is offset since a smaller display.

drexappeal said:

Well, the g3 is 300mah less than the Note 4, at 3k mah, so that should be a consideration as well. The g3 gets better screen on time than the Note 2 did and the Note 2 had same size screen and was only 720p. That is just comparing when I had the Note 2, which to me was awesome (imo, better than note 3).

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Note 3 Battery Size: 3200 mAh
Note 4 Battery Size: 3220 mAh
LG G3 Battery Size: 3000 mAh

3220 - 3000 = 220

So, you're about 27% off in that calculation. That's less than a 10% difference in battery size between the two phones, which simply is way out of range for being a "consideration" given the disparity in battery life/endurance. Keep in mind, the Note 3 is also superior to the G3 in Power Management. The Note 4 is only "claimed" to be a bit over 6% better than the Note 3 from that standpoint.

Samsung's device do that without all the aggressive performance throttling code in their devices, and without using whatever kind of "innovative" battery tech LG was harping on about at the G3 launch event.

All this does it confirm how bad of a decision it was for LG to rush a device to market with the QHD display running S801, instead of waiting for S805 to go into mass production.

The Note 2 wasn't on par with the Note 3's battery life, Lol. The S800 is so superior to the Exynos 4412 regarding power management it isn't even funny, in addition to using a more efficient manufacturing process (28nm vs 32nm process). Additionally, other components (Screen, etc.) in the device also use less power in the newer phone as well. The Note 2 would have needed a Droid Maxx battery (or even a bit larger) to rival the Note 3's battery life, especially with moderate to heavy use on an LTE connection - one area where the S800 really showed its superiority over the S600 and Exynos 4412.

Part of the reason why Samsung didn't need to stuff such a big battery upgrade in the Note 3 was due to the efficiencies in the S800 and upgraded components. They only increases the Battery size by 100mAh while adding MORE Sensors and a bigger, brighter, higher resolution screen and a higher resolution back camera (it takes power to process the higher resolution images).

nsa_sailor said:

All I get is a white page!

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I get a search results page of photos on Flickr taken with Samsung Galaxy Note 3 devices.

Google: Flickr Camera Finder

Then pick the Galaxy Note 3 under Samsung and the page comes up. It's updated in near real time since it indexes all the public photos on Flickr.

Miscalculated the mah on the Note 3 by 100mah. Anyhow, my experiences with battery life on the Note 2 were actually better than the Note 3, initially. After 1 year though, Note 2 battery integrity drained faster than what my experience is with the Note 3 right now. Everything I'm referencing is based on my experiences. Even with my brief experiences with the G3, I found it to hold battery life better than both phones initially (I guess you can consider that a unique circumstance compared to others), but I didn't have long enough time with it, prior to giving it to my Mom, to use for her line.

Nonetheless, important thing to consider is the effects of the 805 Snapdragon, which I have read helps battery life significantly. Again, it's no big deal to me, since I'm not upgrading to the Note 4, but if it is on par with the Note 2 or 3, I think it still beats many of the high end smartphones (although, I heard great things about the G2's battery life).

One thing I don't get is, how was Motorola able to smash in the large battery capacity (can't remember the mah, off the top of my head), in the first Droid Maxx? That thing had amazing battery life.

The main reason the G3 had heat and battery issues is due to the inefficient tech used for the Qhd. The 801 adds to the heat since stressed supporting Qhd.

Next year, a G4 with an 810 and N4 like efficient display would rock.

Yes. That's my point. Using the right tech and using updated tech in newer models allows you to get more mileage out of the same battery sizes.

Never had an issue with the Note 3. Easily 6 hours of screen on time for me, over 7 if I ever would let it die during use.

New phones always hold a charge better. It's why reviews are a bit dubious. The reviewers don't use the phone long enough to see how it stands the test of time.

Can someone please help me make sense out of the reviews of the processor/performance of the Note4? I have read reviews that suggest it may not be faster than the Note3 in some areas and the iPhone 6 is much faster than the Note4 in tests. Are these just benchmarks? In real world usage is it a different story?

Thanks.

Does anyone understand benchmarks? It's like fuel economy or bhp in cars..... Depends how it's used.

stanw said:

Can someone please help me make sense out of the reviews of the processor/performance of the Note4? I have read reviews that suggest it may not be faster than the Note3 in some areas and the iPhone 6 is much faster than the Note4 in tests. Are these just benchmarks? In real world usage is it a different story?

Thanks.

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Simply put:

Note 4 is faster than the Note 3 in off screen tests and about the same with on screen due to the high pixels.

The N4 is a lot slower than the i6 for CPU, but faster in some tests and on par for others with the GPU tests.

For perspective, the G3 was slower in all tests and the A8 is a 64bit CPU beast that I wish we had too. The Ex 5433 though that is in other Note 4 models is about the same as last years A7 for CPU power.

Unless a game emulator fan like me, you will not notice the difference with the CPU and the GPU is plenty fast for the Note 4. The 805 is a good chipset that will not disappoint

what do you mean by off screen tests and on screen ones? Do you mean tests with the screen either on or off? If so, what is that showing?

Thanks.

stanw said:

what do you mean by off screen tests and on screen ones? Do you mean tests with the screen either on or off? If so, what is that showing?

Thanks.

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On screen is with screen draws as part of the test. Off screen for gpu is only good for math calculations since is worthless otherwise since the display is mutually inclusive to the gpu function.... obviously.

After using the N4 since launch and having spent a good amount of time with the N3 before that, the N4 is great but IMO not worth the jump- if paying full price.

The N3 is still a great device even after a year. If I had the N3 instead of the S4, I would probably not upgrade. JMO.

Of course, I do have the N4 now and my perspective would probably change if the N5 has a 64GB option with sd and 64bit chipset next year. Yep, it probably would.

rushmore said:

After using the N4 since launch and having spent a good amount of time with the N3 before that, the N4 is great but IMO not worth the jump- if paying full price.

The N3 is still a great device even after a year. If I had the N3 instead of the S4, I would probably not upgrade. JMO.

Of course, I do have the N4 now and my perspective would probably change if the N5 has a 64GB option with sd and 64bit chipset next year. Yep, it probably would.

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If either the N4 or Edge came in 64 gb offering, it would be no brainer for me, but I'm gonna continue enjoying the Note 3.

I can't convince myself to make the switch. I'm on a regular VZW plan ($299 to switch), don't think I'm missing anything with finger-swiper ID and the other new N4 stuff, am a little concerned about the reports of N4 shorter battery life, and basically just couldn't be happier with my N3's performance. And, since all of us in the US are getting 32-bit Snapdragon processors in the N4, I'm gonna hold out and wait until we're all converted to 64-bit (N5?). Can you imagine 6GB of RAM in this beast?!!?

Why being non-64-bit kills the Galaxy Note 4's futureproofing - Opinion - Trusted Reviews

RickSchlegel said:

I can't convince myself to make the switch. I'm on a regular VZW plan ($299 to switch), don't think I'm missing anything with finger-swiper ID and the other new N4 stuff, am a little concerned about the reports of N4 shorter battery life, and basically just couldn't be happier with my N3's performance. And, since all of us in the US are getting 32-bit Snapdragon processors in the N4, I'm gonna hold out and wait until we're all converted to 64-bit (N5?). Can you imagine 6GB of RAM in this beast?!!?

Why being non-64-bit kills the Galaxy Note 4's futureproofing - Opinion - Trusted Reviews

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A few things with perspective coming from years in consumer electronics as an analyst, marketing and a geek.

There is no such thing as future proof

Better to have a device and enjoy it rather than wait for the next best thing. The Note 5 is a year away as example.

Life is short, but tech life is even shorter.

rushmore said:

A few things with perspective coming from years in consumer electronics as an analyst, marketing and a geek.

There is no such thing as future proof

Better to have a device and enjoy it rather than wait for the next best thing. The Note 5 is a year away as example.

Life is short, but tech life is even shorter.

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There is such a thing. Devices that launched with older SoC last year didn't get OpenGL ES 3, which directly impacts game performance. Same for XLTE, Miracast, VoLTE, BTLE and other features. A lot of people who bought "flagships" with older chips end found themselves missing features when they were added to the platform.

Not just an android issue, either, BlackBerry 10 and Windows Phone users had the same exact issues.

If you are going to keep a device for 2 years, then you really should be looking for something with current cutting edge hardware otherwise you can find yourself getting an iOS-style update in the future. Except worse, since you're likely to be missing key underpinnings and not just user facing features like Turn by turn and Siri, which 3rd party apps can easily replace.

Software can be made better. Hardware is forever. These aren't desktop PCs, and the prices aren't differentiated enough at the flagship level to skimp.

AnonGuy said:

If you are going to keep a device for 2 years, then you really should be looking for something with current cutting edge hardware... Software can be made better. Hardware is forever.

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Agree completely, and one of the main reasons I'm not gonna put out any new money for the N4. Lord only knows how many years I'll keep the 64-bit N5/6.

If you worry that much buy an apple device.... They've not changed much for years

I am also on the 10GB plan and use the Verizon Edge program. My husband's phone was ancient, so I got the Note 4 on Edge and switched my Note 3 over to him. So far...I haven't seen any earth-shattering differences between the 2...I do like the camera better..seems to be more responsive and I like that it has OIS.

bonerp said:

If you worry that much buy an apple device.... They've not changed much for years

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Give me a break, bonerp --- it took me years to find a device that was more a portable computer than a phone and camera, and I'm not going back now. You seem from your earlier posts to be into cameras and screens --- me, I get more excited about easy file and data sharing, Multi-Window, and the S Pen. To each his own, eh? (But I do love that 5.7" screen.)