Simon_Gardner
Android Expert
Or Messenger which has been spun off (for mobile devices) from Facebook.
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drexappeal
Extreme Android User
With my relatives, they initially had wifi calling on, but it didn't do anything having it on because their battery was draining so fast anyway, so they just put their phones in airplane mode and had their calls forwarded to my landline.
JimSmith94
Android Enthusiast
I have seen conflicting reports that when Wifi calling is active, the cellular radios are turned off. Apparently that is not always true.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
rushmore
Extreme Android User
I think it also might be relative to the topography of the area people live. Tmo is bad in Kentucky and Tennessee, but not exactly a flatter topography
I also recall flat areas in Ohio being bad too, when going to Cedar Point in Ohio. A fifty mile no signal gap for us. That was five years ago though.Added
Tower proliferation is critical and expensive in less flat regions. Also, the population is less so they spend more money covering less overall people. Sprint and Tmo can not afford that and AT&T were lazy in their tower expansion efforts. They (AT&T) were more probably concerned about executive bonus proliferation
Verizon is no better in that regard, but had the sense to invest in towers.SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
I've been on Android since 2010, continuously, except for 9 days in there....
That's all I have to say.
Benefits are only benefits if you actually care about the stuff that's supposed to be a benefit, and really if iCloud Drive and was in iOS 7 I'd have never come back to Android to begin with.
That was ONE benefit that made the platform worth it, but it's getting wiped out in a month or so. And assuming that iPhone has a 4.7" screen I'm in a big hurry to run to them. The grass is greener, for me.
There's nothing harsh about wanting a product that seems designed for optimal usability than engineered to meet minimum standards... on paper.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
I don't make Social Services the cornerstone of my device usage. I will never depend on Facebook for Messaging, or most of my Messaging, because if I ever choose to leave Facebook it will be too big of a disruption.
I prefer 1st party services.
Hangouts is ... not a great messaging service... And Android users were busy spamming Google for "SMS Integration" than getting them to implement the features needed to make it competitive with competing services. Hangouts isn't even capable enough to replace a decent OEM SMS/MMS client, much less something like iMessage.
Also, in my post that he was replying to:
I live in a low reception area where SMS/MMS routinely fails outright and if it works it takes ridiculously long to send. That's a killer in conversations.
And now, even that's starting to break down as people are starting to refuse to install messenger due to the FUD a lot of people spread about Facebook (the company) and that app, especially recently.
I need a built-in, first party solution to not have to worry about it.
I'm getting to the stage in my life where I'm about done caring about tech. I just want something that does what I need to do elegantly, is well supported, and has a decent ecosystem backing it.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Did you know that iMessage uses internet data to send messages and pics or video chat uses data to connect, which Viber, WhatsApp & various other messaging clients such as Skype do very well indeed.
Plus they have the unique attribute that you don't have to have a certain phone to be able to use these messaging clients, everyone is free to use them, ensuring long term continuity with your past current & future social and even business contacts whichever phone they choose over the years.
I don't use Google Hangouts for the reasons above, but I am always looking to take advantage of technology and I have seen some Google Hangouts on Youtube with multiple people in a session and it looks very appealing for a "1st party software" indeed.
So what exactly are you actually trying to express. You've said you live in an area of low reception...and youre growing tired or some technology which doesn't explain your choice of phone in my opinion, because the iPhone isn't a feature phone or basic phone, and lack of reception in your area will impact whichever device you are using to connect to calls or text.
If you're saying that you prefer an instant messaging client that is built into the phone and you are determined not to install any other instant messaging client that can connect to other people on other phones, then for whatever reason that is then that's your choice, & in the rarity that everyone you know is using only an iPhone then good.
Personally I would choose the right to connect to many other people on any phone operating system and still be able to send them a text message, video message, video or phone call at any time with with current and future social contacts that I meet. I feel that is my basic right as a human being in 2014.
You?
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
I'm not sure, you tell me. How else would a WiFi iPod Touch, iPad, or iMac use that service? Magic?
You're still spouting off a myriad of services to me, which is the whole crux of the issue at hand and why iMessage is such a huge selling point for iDevices.
You can't force other people to install apps, create accounts, and use them. iMessage is integrated in a way that makes it practically invisible and an afterthought.
It would cover the vast majority of my texting and allow me to drop Facebook.
That only matters if you aren't willing to switch phones to get it. I am.
I actually did but I needed a bigger screen so I came back while i waited for the i6. That should let you know how much I value the actual platforms (hint: not much). I only care about what the phone enables for me.
You're still trying to make Android look like a better choice, when in reality the damn phone can run Bada or Symbian but I'd still switch for the superior messaging experience if that's what I needed to do.
I dont care what platform is on the device. Platforms are commodity to me. They all do largely the same things (largely, not completely) with a different coat of paint.
I have WiFi where I live. So group MMS is not viable while I message would work flawlessly. That was my point.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Just trying to see what the attraction of iPhone is, if its either myth or legend. From what I can gather from the camera to the software it seems to be myth.
You seem to be misinformed about any messaging system...they don't require accounts...they auto-detect your number when you install them and then find whoever is in your contact list who has let's say, WhatsApp installed and then you can text sms or send pictures etc via cloud messaging which is as integrated as you can get, or am I wrong you to me?
There seems to be some inconsistency with your reasons for an integrated messaging service, as you say here that a "a whole myriad of services" is the crux of the problem here, when originally you said that is just a better first party instant messaging system.
With that said, nobody is forced to be able to connect to everyone around the world as you said, and with that I would choose the 1 minute setup time of any messaging service over a closed one without a shadow of a doubt, and my answer to this thread would be unequivocally yes especially if you are looking for a price drop when the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is released
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
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AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
The Attraction is the consistency, the reliability of support, the fast support turn around, and the attention to detail.
It's not a myth that Apple's camera software is better than just about any Android OEM's. This is why even using the same Sensors as Sony's best phones, their devices were pumping out better images.
You're completely wrong. WhatsApp requires an account. It creates one based on your phone number when you sign up in the App. That's why if you want to quit it you have to .... "Delete your Account." Want a screen shot?
They all use accounts, they just have developed a good way to make it easiest for users to sign up to use the service. Since phone numbers are unique to every user/device, it's a pretty failsafe way for easy signup and almost instant account setup.
You can sign in with Facebook with your phone number, that doesn't make it "not an account."
Don't make me laugh. On my phone if I swipe to Message someone, it opens the Messages app. When I send that message, it doesn't appear in WhatsApp. There is, literally, no integration between the two. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nil... Period.
When you go to Message someone on an iPhone, if they have an iPhone it will automatically send an iMessage. If they have an Android, it will send a text. If their contact card is up to date and they later send you an iMessage from their iPad, it will show up on your phone in the exact same thread as that text message. That's integrated. The threads are merged together, the switching between iMessages and Texts are seamless, and the application is the same for both. No changes need be made, and nothing needs to be installed. You don't have to sign up for another account on another service, regardless of how "easy" it may be.
No, you're just fishing for reason to debate further...
A whole myriad of services is the problem, because Android users use too many different messaging service due to the lack of a default, 1st party, built-in solution that can even match the capabilities of their SMS/MMS client - never mind a dedicated messaging service. Great for you if you live in a market where everyone doesn't have Unlimited SMS/MMS and one IM service has grown to dominate. The USA is not one of those markets.
Additionally, a lot of 3rd party messaging apps are too bloated these days. Stickers, Social Feeds in the Messaging app (Line, ChatOn, WeChat, BBM), Games, In-App Stores or tons of IAP, Ads (Skype, without Credits), etc. It's just too much. I want something that does messaging without the cruft, and I don't feel like having to use multiple solutions to keep in touch with multiple people.
WhatsApp is not an open messaging system.With that said, nobody is forced to be able to connect to everyone around the world as you said, and with that I would choose the 1 minute setup time of any messaging service over a closed one without a shadow of a doubt, and my answer to this thread would be unequivocally yes especially if you are looking for a price drop when the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is released
Skype is not an open messaging system.
Hangouts is not an open messaging system.
BBM is not an open messaging system.
Line is not an open messaging system.
WeChat is not an open messaging system.
Snapchat is not an open messaging system.
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Did you mean "Closed" or "Platform-limited," cause you seem to have the two terms completely confused.
iMessage has no setup. You sign in (to your Apple ID/iCloud Account) and it's there. The only thing comparable is the Integrated Messaging service from Verizon Wireless, which turns SMS/MMS into a Data Messaging service similar to iMessage for their customers.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Anyone needing support would strongly suggest to me that it doesn't "just work", a description that I've heard, and isn't very intuitive if you have needed to log in for support.
What kind of issues have you felt the need to ask for support with? Shouldn't a messaging system that is supposed to be friendly and intuitive to all people shouldn't need much support if any, or is it another myth once again that I'm hearing that in fact it does need support and isn't intuitive to many people.
I'm assuming you wrote about its consistency, and reliability of support because you have or someone you know had actually received support, otherwise typing that piece of text without having received support or having any basis to describe this would be exactly what a myth is (a widely held but false belief or idea".
I really am not fishing for anything, just want to see something, everything is typed without any substance. I've seen photos and they're not great, my opinion. They are camera phone quality. I would love to see some examples of some photos which were clearly above and beyond the standard of any other camera phone quality. I am very willing.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Indeed from your own typing my friend "since phone numbers are unique to every user/device, it's a pretty failsafe way for easy signup and almost instant account setup.". Your description could be a prefect way to describe the other "open platform" messaging services that are available, which do the same thing, and in which you do not have to be forced into acquiring an Apple ID and then entering your security details in order to be used.
From your own text you described open platform messaging services such as Viber & WhatsApp, which use the method you clearly like and think is "easy signup".
As I typed in a previous post, I appreciate that you only wish to use imessage, but for me of the opportunity presented itself to me, to be able to communicate easily with anyone from the past, present or future on any mobile phone brand or operating system, which isn't available on imessage, then I wouldn't hesitate to take that opportunity to ensure my right to be contactable by friends & loved ones and even some business contacts.
Just a couple of years ago me and a friend who have alot of memories were conversating and then she switched from iPhone to Android, which I was pleasantly surprised to hear about when she informed me via WhatsApp using the simple 1 2 "easy signup" process.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Well I'm pretty sure that while I do in fact have unlimited everything, I am definitely more aware of the economic situation which we are in, and I am also aware of different scenarios which can occur for example for people such as yourself, which in the quote from yourself below have difficult or next to zero cell reception phone signal strength in a given area.
In which case I would definitely welcome any method which allowed me to instantly message someone on any mobile phone using Internet data which they would be able to receive if they had internet capability where they are such as at work, or at home, inside a plane where only Wifi is allowed etc.
I would also point out that it doesn't have to be only one messaging service which is dominant...there are 100's of millions of people who use these messaging services and use others too, for the simple fact that they do in fact know people in other countries too in which a local sms charge doesn't apply, and in which they would like to communicate internationally with at an economical rate, or free, depending on how much data they have left. The same for iMessage applies if you have enough data left.
Using only one messaging service might not be desirable to them. I use more than one messaging service too, and what you described "invisible and an after thought" applies to them too. Their "text" comes up on the screen and if I click and reply to it then it happens just like that, I don't know which phone they are using I just see their name and number and reply and then that's it.
Indeed, and I would have to agree, especially in emergency situations where a loved one does not have any cellular signal strength on their phone and may need to contact someone in real time to find directions or seek help etc etc from another person who they feel comfortable with, such as a loved one informing you there has been a fire at the house and some of your family have been burned and here is the hospital we are at meet us here.
Just as you said nobody can force you to install any applications, the same applies to forcing somebody to buy a particular make of phone which I believe is a much more harder decision based on the price of a free application or a phone which costs up to 600+.
Someone in the family or related to the family or relations to business contacts, future acquaintances who have chosen a different phone cannot contact someone who only has iMessage and no cellular service, but who knows maybe you are sure you will never be in this situation or that everyone you meet will have an iPhone, which I can assure you that with the ever growing popularity of Android and its dominance in the mobile phone market today, you will meet someone who has.
The integration you describe sounds nice on iMessage but on Android I can send items such as photos videos audio etc from any application installed, including anyone on any phone. So that is what I call true phone integration, with all applications system wide, at the same time as being able to contact anyone on any phone, except someone who chooses a closed platform messaging service of course. Which I have never encountered...ever...apart from yourself of course
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
Support. As in 3 years of updates and super fast rollout if security updates. Not "technical support" for problems, which can be dealt with in an Apple Store - so they're superior there as well.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
Well I'm pretty sure that while I do in fact have unlimited everything, I am definitely more aware of the economic situation which we are in, and I am also aware of different scenarios which can occur for example for people such as yourself, which in the quote from yourself below have difficult or next to zero cell reception phone signal strength in a given area.
In which case I would definitely welcome any method which allowed me to instantly message someone on any mobile phone using Internet data which they would be able to receive if they had internet capability where they are such as at work, or at home, inside a plane where only Wifi is allowed etc.
I would also point out that it doesn't have to be only one messaging service which is dominant...there are 100's of millions of people who use these messaging services and use others too, for the simple fact that they do in fact know people in other countries too in which a local sms charge doesn't apply, and in which they would like to communicate internationally with at an economical rate, or free, depending on how much data they have left. The same for iMessage applies if you have enough data left.
Using only one messaging service might not be desirable to them. I use more than one messaging service too, and what you described "invisible and an after thought" applies to them too. Their "text" comes up on the screen and if I click and reply to it then it happens just like that, I don't know which phone they are using I just see their name and number and reply and then that's it.
Indeed, and I would have to agree, especially in emergency situations where a loved one does not have any cellular signal strength on their phone and may need to contact someone in real time to find directions or seek help etc etc from another person who they feel comfortable with, such as a loved one informing you there has been a fire at the house and some of your family have been burned and here is the hospital we are at meet us here.
Just as you said nobody can force you to install any applications, the same applies to forcing somebody to buy a particular make of phone which I believe is a much more harder decision based on the price of a free application or a phone which costs up to 600+.
Someone in the family or related to the family or relations to business contacts, future acquaintances who have chosen a different phone cannot contact someone who only has iMessage and no cellular service, but who knows maybe you are sure you will never be in this situation or that everyone you meet will have an iPhone, which I can assure you that with the ever growing popularity of Android and its dominance in the mobile phone market today, you will meet someone who has.
The integration you describe sounds nice on iMessage but on Android I can send items such as photos videos audio etc from any application installed, including anyone on any phone. So that is what I call true phone integration, with all applications system wide, at the same time as being able to contact anyone on any phone, except someone who chooses a closed platform messaging service of course. Which I have never encountered...ever...apart from yourself of course
You can share to Messages on iOS and send the data via iMessage. How do you think you send PDF files in it?
Have you EVER used an iPhone? Ever? They're actually improving that in iOS 8.
Why are you even trying to debate about this. Sharing to a messaging app has nothing to do with the mechanic of one app covering IM and SMS with merged threads and transparent protocol choice, integrated with the device's service account and not needing a 3rd party application or account.
One page of text to try to retort one simple fact?
A lot of iOS users choose iMessages and nothing else. Go ask at iMore. It's not hard.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
Well I'm pretty sure that while I do in fact have unlimited everything, I am definitely more aware of the economic situation which we are in, and I am also aware of different scenarios which can occur for example for people such as yourself, which in the quote from yourself below have difficult or next to zero cell reception phone signal strength in a given area.
In which case I would definitely welcome any method which allowed me to instantly message someone on any mobile phone using Internet data which they would be able to receive if they had internet capability where they are such as at work, or at home, inside a plane where only Wifi is allowed etc.
I would also point out that it doesn't have to be only one messaging service which is dominant...there are 100's of millions of people who use these messaging services and use others too, for the simple fact that they do in fact know people in other countries too in which a local sms charge doesn't apply, and in which they would like to communicate internationally with at an economical rate, or free, depending on how much data they have left. The same for iMessage applies if you have enough data left.
Using only one messaging service might not be desirable to them. I use more than one messaging service too, and what you described "invisible and an after thought" applies to them too. Their "text" comes up on the screen and if I click and reply to it then it happens just like that, I don't know which phone they are using I just see their name and number and reply and then that's it.
Indeed, and I would have to agree, especially in emergency situations where a loved one does not have any cellular signal strength on their phone and may need to contact someone in real time to find directions or seek help etc etc from another person who they feel comfortable with, such as a loved one informing you there has been a fire at the house and some of your family have been burned and here is the hospital we are at meet us here.
Just as you said nobody can force you to install any applications, the same applies to forcing somebody to buy a particular make of phone which I believe is a much more harder decision based on the price of a free application or a phone which costs up to 600+.
Someone in the family or related to the family or relations to business contacts, future acquaintances who have chosen a different phone cannot contact someone who only has iMessage and no cellular service, but who knows maybe you are sure you will never be in this situation or that everyone you meet will have an iPhone, which I can assure you that with the ever growing popularity of Android and its dominance in the mobile phone market today, you will meet someone who has.
The integration you describe sounds nice on iMessage but on Android I can send items such as photos videos audio etc from any application installed, including anyone on any phone. So that is what I call true phone integration, with all applications system wide, at the same time as being able to contact anyone on any phone, except someone who chooses a closed platform messaging service of course. Which I have never encountered...ever...apart from yourself of course
I use Verizon Message+ right now, and it sends and receives SMS/MMS over WiFi. It works on the iPhone too. My reception issues as they pertain to SMS/MMS are now eliminated.
iMessage will fall back to SMS so it doesn't matter if they have an iPhone or not, that's the beauty of it. You can still MMS a photo, video, voice note, contact, calendar event, location, etc.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
I paid $741.98 for this Note 3.
Please don't try to use the price argument. It's dumb.
In fact just drop it because you are rambling at this point and clearly you won't change my mind.
People can contact iPhone users by sending them a text message. Did you even give thought to the stuff you're posting?
Please don't try to use the price argument. It's dumb.
In fact just drop it because you are rambling at this point and clearly you won't change my mind.
People can contact iPhone users by sending them a text message. Did you even give thought to the stuff you're posting?
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Nope so I was simply enquiring what kind of integration it had
. I am glad that there is sharing as you describe it, but as I mentioned before alot of things that I hear about the iPhone seem to be myths when I try to see it as a viable phone to purchase, as Android has had integrated sharing for files many moons ago. I just can't seem to hear or see anything that makes me feel is amazing, and if I wanted simplicity I wouldn't buy either phone I would buy a feature phone. You seem to be getting agitated without actually describing what is so amazing, as even the Verizon Messages application is available in the Google Play store.......which means you switched iMessage which you were praising so highly one day ago to an application which available on many devices.. I feel this debate is coming to a nice conclusion now sir...
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Well after typing so proudly and puffy chested about iMessage it does surprise me as to your sudden change of instant messengers, especially as Verizon Messages application in tthe Google Play store is NOT a first party messaging solution. So you indeed did write a large amount about a great deal about it yet opted to choose something is NOT a first party and is also available in the Google Play store, which is a huge contradiction as to why you are "thinking of switching back to iPhone"....
It has been quite entertaining to read your posts, but now I'm pretty sure you don't have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3, as the update has happened quite some time ago. Using your explicit words in the quote above, regarding "the threads are merged together, the switching between iMessage & Texts is seamless" I present to you a video of the exact same thing happening on Android 4.3 with the Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I could keep proving your contradictions but I can see it is getting you angry, and proving your point through Facts rather than calling names or texts in capital letters is much more substantial than mythical text.
Android integrated messaging system - YouTube
I wish you a good day sir...I'm pretty certain you're going to add on more things now and get even more irate, as happens when you prove someone wrong, but I hope you will use the time between these posts to calm down, as I don't think name calling is supported on the forums
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
Well after typing so proudly and puffy chested about iMessage it does surprise me as to your sudden change of instant messengers, especially as Verizon Messages application in tthe Google Play store is NOT a first party messaging solution. So you indeed did write a large amount about a great deal about it yet opted to choose something is NOT a first party and is also available in the Google Play store, which is a huge contradiction as to why you are "thinking of switching back to iPhone"....
It has been quite entertaining to read your posts, but now I'm pretty sure you don't have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3, as the update has happened quite some time ago. Using your explicit words in the quote above, regarding "the threads are merged together, the switching between iMessage & Texts is seamless" I present to you a video of the exact same thing happening on Android 4.3 with the Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I could keep proving your contradictions but I can see it is getting you angry, and proving your point through Facts rather than calling names or texts in capital letters is much more substantial than mythical text.
Android integrated messaging system - YouTube
I wish you a good day sir...I'm pretty certain you're going to add on more things now and get even more irate, as happens when you prove someone wrong, but I hope you will use the time between these posts to calm down, as I don't think name calling is supported on the forums
What do they say about assumptions?
I use a Note 3:
Which I returned an iPhone 5S to get.
I tried both devices. I make my own decisions and everything I said about the messaging systems is true. You don't sound like you've ever used an iPhone with iOS 5+ on it.
You're baiting me, and I'm growing tired of it.
Spend your $750 on what you want. I make my own decisions and could care less if some random forum persona agrees with it.
You're only pissy cause I said I was getting an iPhone 6. If I showed my receipt and said I had just gotten rid of it for the Note, you'll have Liked and Thanked my post.
Have a nice day.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
I recently discovered how wonderful Google Hangouts is after updating it half an hour ago and I must say there is a high chance that I will be purchasing the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. To the thread maker I'm sure I would still buy a Samsung Galaxy Note 3.
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AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
What part do you find Wonderful? I find it woefully deficient for a messaging service released in 2013. Its capabilities in both SMS and IM are more akin to something you'd have expected a decade ago.
My feature phone in 2001 was a more capable SMS/MMS client than Google Hangouts is. It's kind of embarassing, and the Android version is lagging like 10 months behind the iOS version in updates currently.
My feature phone in 2001 was a more capable SMS/MMS client than Google Hangouts is. It's kind of embarassing, and the Android version is lagging like 10 months behind the iOS version in updates currently.